Daytona vs '08 GTI

[EvilcowRoland]

A good friend of mine just bought an '08 GTI back in April. It's the 2 door Rabbit body with 2.0T. The car is hella nice. They come with 6-speeds, an LSD, and an electronic stability program. He even let me drive it after break-in. For a stock car, it's very fast. You can look up the full specs, but it makes over 200 hp and torque. Not shabby at all.

Now, we weren't seriously racing or anything, just kinda messing around. But the first time I pitted a TD against the GTI it was with my '90 2.5 T1 auto Daytona. I'm running pretty much stock everything right down to the exhaust and Mitsu, but it has a factory I/C and 12psi boost. That wasn't even close. He just walked away from me from a stop and from a roll.

The second time occured last week and it was the GTI versus a true T2 Daytona with 555 and full 2.5 inch exhaust. The engine is freshly rebuilt and has a brand new Garrett on it, but still stock 12psi boost. From a stop didn't really happen because the car doesn't like left turns on low fuel and it cut out on me. From a roll it was closer. At lower RPMs it seemed we were matched, but as the RPM's climbed the GTI would pull ahead (such is the joy of a DOHC engine I suppose). On the interstate we went to about 85-ish and his rear bumper was just passed my nose. That's about as fast as I'm willing to play not at a track. All in all, not bad though. An R/T car would have no trouble with one, but with 8 less valves I just wasn't a match for him. I suppose the best part is he's offered to let me drive the GTI at autox events if I want. I might just have to take him up on it.

[turbokid]

^ more boost ~! =)
give a bit of an edge at the start to lessen his lead on the end!

[EvilcowRoland]

Don't I know it! Never enough boost. Right now I'm keeping things mostly stock. The '90 won't be getting anything else performance-wise (except maybe an exhaust upgrade). But eventually I'll manage to collect some extra cash and get some goodies for the '89 (computer, injectors, etc.) I'm very patient. I had the '90 for 4 years before I even put a new turbo engine in it. 12psi is good for the moment.

[Oclk Dlux]

They make 207 ft/lbs at 1800 RPM! Quick spooling small turbo for the bottom end and quad valve for the top. Hard to beat They already have turbo upgrade kits available!

My wife & I opted for the Jetta 2.5. I personally like having the old Audi inline 5 cyl motor, with quad valve no less. We're car pooling until I get some bugs worked out my LeBaron. Time and money, the same old game

Definitely take your friend up on the Solo2 run! I had a '01 Golf GL that dominated H/S until the new Mini's came out.

[SpiritedShelbys]

+1 on more boost. My Shelby Lancer has a stage 2 comp with 15 psi and I'd bet that it could keep up with my stock SRT-4. Not 0-60 or at least I doubt it could but by the end of the 1/4 I bet it'd be very close. My SL "feels" like it pulls harder in 2nd-4th gear than my SRT does. One of these days I'll have to find out for certain.

[EvilcowRoland]

This is the same friend that bought the '82 Scirocco and we were beating the tar out of that in autox the last 2 years. It still runs in all its 70hp glory, but it's leaking oil bad enough that they won't let us on the track with it. And it has a nasty valve tap. The engine is just tired. But we'll be putting a 2.0 DOHC in it eventually. At least we have the engine ready for assembly. Just have to get him off his lazy ass to work on it. Or either get him to bring the engine to my house and I'll do it. Until then, I wouldn't mind slinging the GTI around a bit.

You can definately feel every bit of the 207 lb/ft. Power comes on super low and stays on all the way up to 7 grand. An SRT-4 driven well shouldn't have any trouble with one, but it's more than a match for our stock 8v cars. I'm thinking I need a stage 3 cal from Cindy and at least 15 psi. That might make the run a bit more interesting.

[2.5TURBO]

my 87 csx w/ g-valved 14psi is equal to a stock srt-4. It was my uncles dialed down to stage 1 and it was a full on race and we would pull on each other only a foot or so but never got even half a car length on each other. this race was from a stop for the record.

[GLHNSLHT2]

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Originally Posted by Oclk Dlux They make 207 ft/lbs at 1800 RPM! Quick spooling small turbo for the bottom end and quad valve for the top. Hard to beat They already have turbo upgrade kits available! My wife & I opted for the Jetta 2.5. I personally like having the old Audi inline 5 cyl motor, with quad valve no less.

That is NOT the old 5 cylinder Audi motor. My 10v audi 5 cylinder was A) a 2.2 and B) had a redline of 6500rpms, Not the 5800 pitiful dog that new 2.5 5 cylinder is.

[Oclk Dlux]

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Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2 That is NOT the old 5 cylinder Audi motor. My 10v audi 5 cylinder was A) a 2.2 and B) had a redline of 6500rpms, Not the 5800 pitiful dog that new 2.5 5 cylinder is.

Ooohhhh, so SORRY

I was making note how VW brought back the inline 5. No need to correct me like a school teacher.

[jim34]

Thats pretty sad a car thats 18 years newer can barely stay ahead of an old daytona

[SpiritedShelbys]

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Originally Posted by 2.5TURBO my 87 csx w/ g-valved 14psi is equal to a stock srt-4. It was my uncles dialed down to stage 1 and it was a full on race and we would pull on each other only a foot or so but never got even half a car length on each other. this race was from a stop for the record.

I'd put good money against any shelby with a simple boost bleed to 14psi working a stock srt-4 or even being "equal." That's dreamland, no offense. I know how to drive my SRT-4 and my Shelby very well and I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Shelby will lose 0-60 hands down, every time even if I were to screw up a semi decent launch. My SL has a 15psi computer, solid motor mounts, and full mandrel 2.5" exhaust. I say it "feels" as fast as my SRT-4 but I know that dead stop 0-60 or even a 1/4 drag that there's no way. It's just not geared to be strong 0-60 and usually ends up in a decent burnout. I think the 2.2 T-2 with my car's mods feels like it pulls harder from 2nd to 4th gear. There is no way that I buy a stock CSX with the only mod being 14 psi is comparable to a stock SRT-4. That's a race I'd do any day.

[jim34]

He never said it was stock from what i can read, but I would assume he has an exhaust and a few mods on it then I wouldnt have a problem believing it would be a close match. I thought i saw an article a long time ago that put the csx at 14.7 stock but the srt has almost twice the head flow better manifolding, better intercooler and an lsd and not to mention better tires too so yea the csx has a lot going against it although on paper the srt should half track it in all of its rounded bubbly big fin glory

[Screamin4banger]

I test drove a Rabbit GTI Last year. I hated it. Everything about it. Everything. They are not the quick and tight little GTIs like from the 80's.

So I went out and bought my Charger

[SpiritedShelbys]

I'm by no means hating on the CSX. I love them otherwise I'd never had owned 3 of them keeping my favorite; my '89 much less spend the $ I am on a restoration. My point is that having owned them and modded them I don't buy it's in the same league as the SRT-4. I'm not saying the srt-4 is an unbeatable machine and given a bad driver that's almost an insured whoopin. IDK if my cars were tired or whatever but they never ran 14's and they weren't strong 0-60 cars due to the gearing and traction issues. Dodge did a fantastic job correcting those issues with the SRT-4 through engineering. I wouldn't mind a custom trans built for the way I want my CSX to be on the street (more like the srt-4). The only issues I've ever had with the original turbo dodges are the shared "off the shelf" parts instead of using engineering to achieve the potential these cars obviously have. The engineering is what the prototype cars and developmental cars got. The potential of these cars were barely released to the public and it's sad they weren't continued given the types of cars popular today; small displacement pocket performance cars.