I Think "Caliber" needs to be added.

[Reaper1]

So tell me how a heavier, less aerodynamic, less reliably powered car is going to "own" its comparably more robust, and proven predecessor?

Oh, and the CSRT-4 is already done. Canceled because it was such a flop! The couldn't KEEP the NSRT-4 on the lots...they can't GIVE AWAY the CSRT-4! Hmmmm

Because the CSRT-4 is already canceled you will NEVER see the Stage-2, so good luck with that.

With all that being said, and yes, I don't like the CSRT-4 much...I *would* consider owning one with ONE condition! It HAS to have a suspension set-up like the preproduction one I drove and road in at SDAC18! If I can have that, then I'm all set!

[Turbo_Lover]

VTECH is like have two different cams, not variable valve timing. Just sayin'

[85Shelbinaton]

FAIL! i think we should have a poll on this...(A) to add caliber, (B) not add caliber, or (C) destroy all calibers already made, and get it overwith. my vote is C

[turbokid]

I vote they bring the Nsrt4 back

[nicholas dotter]

my wife loves her caliber because it has a glove box that keeps her drinks cold.and the cargo light in the back is a rechargeable flashlight.i on the other hand have only driven it once and that was enough for me.i hate it .i would rather drive a 84 omni auto w/out air as a daily than drive a caliber .neons are cool cause their heads fit our cars.calibers will never be cool even it were a stage 5.i thinks its time chrysler brings back the omni.

[neonsox]

If you're going to use that whole "it's not a true Chrysler" argument, you should realize that Chrysler hasn't been... Chrysler... since around 1998 or so. Yes, I know the Caliber has a world engine but the Neon head was based off an old Mitsubishi design. Everything trickles down from somewhere, especially in the car world. Hell, the classic car crowd doesn't even look at our 80's TD's as being real Chryslers. It's all about perspective.

[Reaper1]

Umm...no. The Neon head(the origional 2.0 DOHC version) was derrived from the TIII Lotus design. It wasn't all directly carried over, but a lot of the same elements are present. Hell, they even flow almost the same in stock form! A DOHC Mitsu head looks nothing like a DOHC Chrysler head with the valve covers off....

[pumaboyairn]

As a CSRT owner myself, I will say that the current SRT4 1/4 mile record holder is a Neon...however, Aaron, Brad, and the other guys at RealTune are already in the low 10s with this lunch pail on wheels, without NOS. And there is a "VTEC"-like control module that RealTune sells that hides any PSI reading above 15 from the ECU after 4500 rpm all the way to readline. It requires an electric dual-stage boost controller and a flash on a scangauge, but VTEC was 1st thing that Aaron said it reminded him of once they tested it. And sorry to all the Neon owners, but the Caliber WILL BE the fastest SRT4 with or without NOS, no doubt in my mind. Give It another month or 3 and it will be there. Some things are just not meant to be, sorry Neon guys. As much as you may not like it, it's gonna happen; Caliber will rule the SRT4 world.
Caliber has a few dedicated websites already and I didn't wanna be the 1st to post anything about it gettin added to the SRT4 section on here since they have some reasonable support elsewhere.

[thedon809]

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Originally Posted by pumaboyairn As a CSRT owner myself, I will say that the current SRT4 1/4 mile record holder is a Neon...however, Aaron, Brad, and the other guys at RealTune are already in the low 10s with this lunch pail on wheels, without NOS. And there is a "VTEC"-like control module that RealTune sells that hides any PSI reading above 15 from the ECU after 4500 rpm all the way to readline. It requires an electric dual-stage boost controller and a flash on a scangauge, but VTEC was 1st thing that Aaron said it reminded him of once they tested it. And sorry to all the Neon owners, but the Caliber WILL BE the fastest SRT4 with or without NOS, no doubt in my mind. Give It another month or 3 and it will be there. Some things are just not meant to be, sorry Neon guys. As much as you may not like it, it's gonna happen; Caliber will rule the SRT4 world. Caliber has a few dedicated websites already and I didn't wanna be the 1st to post anything about it gettin added to the SRT4 section on here since they have some reasonable support elsewhere.

A 1st gen neon + 2.4 + massive turbo = faster than a caliber will ever go. Starting off at a whopping 2400lbs, a caliber wouldn't be able to touch it.

[pumaboyairn]

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Originally Posted by thedon809 A 1st gen neon + 2.4 + massive turbo = faster than a caliber will ever go. Starting off at a whopping 2400lbs, a caliber wouldn't be able to touch it.

Obviously, there's a difference in weight. But you're talkin a 1st Gen Neon with a transplanted SRT motor and toys, not an off-the-lot SRT vehicle. Granted, no one ever said anyting about franken-cars, but while we're at it, let's get rid of the SRT motor all together and throw in some twin-rotary eninges with toys, or since we like keepin it in the Dodge family, lets just toss a Viper engine in the damn thing. I don't think the original postee expected this topic to go this route so I'll concede since I obviousy blindsided myself, I totally forgot about the franken-Neons out there. Kudos on the car though. From the specs you posted, seems like the Caliber's got a little ways to go before it surpasses that vehicle in particular. I just don't think I would say "faster than a Caliber will ever go." With the typical tenth-of-a-second per 100 lbs, the Neon you speak of has a 7/10 of a second lead (CSRT4 weighs in at 3100 lbs, so a 700-lb diff). Sorry if I ruffled the feathers, I'm just really excited bout the near future of the CSRT4's aftermarket, a lotta goodies are on the way.

[MNmopar]

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Originally Posted by Reaper1 Umm...no. The Neon head(the origional 2.0 DOHC version) was derrived from the TIII Lotus design. It wasn't all directly carried over, but a lot of the same elements are present. Hell, they even flow almost the same in stock form! A DOHC Mitsu head looks nothing like a DOHC Chrysler head with the valve covers off....

I thought it was the hans-hermann head that they ripped off to design the neon head.

[the.palmetto]

I will admit the Caliber (even the SRT-4) are not the greatest looking cars, but I can get over that. My friend has one and all he has done to it is a Stage 1 flash, aftermarket exhaust, and a wastegate and he has 310 at the wheels. I know 2.4 swaps are great and all, but the Caliber 2.4 is better designed. People are already making a ton of power on aftermarket crap.

[turbokid]

The caliber is not gonna be the fastest SRT4.
Sorry weight, bulkiness and design come into play. I know pt cruisers in the 10's but I am not gonna bet that with the same mods a neon srt4 wont smoke it.
Its heavier, it bulkier, its uglier (not that that matters too much) and even starting with a 50 HP gain stock for stock it still isnt faster then the N-SRT4.
You can make any car go fast with will power.
But with the same amount of mods, a NSRT4 will be faster then a caliber.

[Marcus86GLHS]

i rented a 2.0L Caliber w/ the CVT automatic trany, drove it almost 2,000 miles in four days....it was the biggest pile of steaming dog crap i ever drove. ugly. noisy. gutless. the interior could not be worse. i hate the Caliber now.

[neonsox]

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Dan Minick, a columnist for Automotive Rebuilder, pointed out: The 2.0 blocks [SOHC and DOHC] have the same casting number. There may be machining differences for mounting. The SOHC cylinder head is only used on the 2.0 SOHC. The DOHC Neon shares a cylinder head with the 2.4. The Avenger/Sebring/Eclipse 2.0 DOHC head is unique and has reversed flow. The 2.0/2.4 uses the same bore and bore centers as the old 2.2/2.5. There are quite a few similarities with the lower end of the block of the 'new' 2.0/2.4 and the 2.2/2.5. However the cylinder head of the 2.0/2.4 DOHC is an outright copy of the Mitsu 2.0 G63 DOHC, while the SOHC version of the Chrysler 2.0 borrows heavily from Mitsu's early 90s G15 1.5 colt motor.

There you have it. Silly kids.