I Think "Caliber" needs to be added.

[turbokat]

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Originally Posted by turbokid The caliber is not gonna be the fastest SRT4. Sorry weight, bulkiness and design come into play. I know pt cruisers in the 10's but I am not gonna bet that with the same mods a neon srt4 wont smoke it. Its heavier, it bulkier, its uglier (not that that matters too much) and even starting with a 50 HP gain stock for stock it still isnt faster then the N-SRT4. You can make any car go fast with will power. But with the same amount of mods, a NSRT4 will be faster then a caliber.

Ok for the 50hp gain: The STOCK car doesnt get 280hp until 4rth gear, and gets 250 in 3rd, and less in 2nd and even less in 1.
you in 4rth gear for about a sec in 1/4mile ;)

"Same mods neon faster.." No, a CSRT stage 1 beats a NSRT stage 2. Look it up i prommise you.

[thedon809]

I was looking at specs for the caliber srt and new evo. Both have world engines but the evo is a 2.0 and srt4 is a 2.4. The evo's 2.0 world engine 290hp and 300ft lb at 4400 rpm and the srt 2.4 world makes only 280hp and only 260 ft lbs at 5600rpm. How the hell does the evo's little 2.0 world engine make more torque at a sooner rpm.

[turbokat]

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Originally Posted by thedon809 I was looking at specs for the caliber srt and new evo. Both have world engines but the evo is a 2.0 and srt4 is a 2.4. The evo's 2.0 world engine 290hp and 300ft lb at 4400 rpm and the srt 2.4 world makes only 280hp and only 260 ft lbs at 5600rpm. How the hell does the evo's little 2.0 world engine make more torque at a sooner rpm.

IDK but i would blame the calibers uber-restrictive exhaust (2 cats 1 muff) not letting the turbo spool as quick. (it is 3" stainless madrel otherwise good)

the evo may have higher comp. ratio, as well, aiding hp alot.

Any comments from NSRT4 guys about the fact you dont get 285 till 4rth?

lets cut to the chase... 500lb heavier, "uglier" -opinion-, has worse launch due to rims/tires. has more power, but comes on very late........

still just as fast as a neon. if you remove the exhaust/cats and clamp it with some better tires, you can run 12s easily


the Nsrt4 was a hard act to follow, and the caliber, was a bad platform to start with -unless they used the awd- but IMO dodge pulled it off

csrt4 didnt sell well, which is a good thing, imo, as my car will be rare and not known about by most. (sleeper)

i like the fact so many people hate on my car.... more people to sh-t on.

[85Shelbinaton]

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Originally Posted by turbokat csrt4 didnt sell well, which is a good thing, imo, as my car will be rare and not known about by most. (sleeper)

yes, a sleeper is defined as any vehicle that comes stock with a GIANT FMIC!!! wtf are you saying a sleeper? "uh, does ur car have a turbo or is that a giant oil cooler u got in the front there?" a sleeper would be a stock n/a omni with a srt swap, or a Twin turbo minivan, not a car that advertises itself as a SRT, and has a giant Intercooler... so dumb

[turbokat]

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Originally Posted by 85Shelbinaton yes, a sleeper is defined as any vehicle that comes stock with a GIANT FMIC!!! wtf are you saying a sleeper? "uh, does ur car have a turbo or is that a giant oil cooler u got in the front there?" a sleeper would be a stock n/a omni with a srt swap, or a Twin turbo minivan, not a car that advertises itself as a SRT, and has a giant Intercooler... so dumb

take it from someone who owns one. they are not recognized anywere around, and really are not known about.

90% of the people i race jaws drop when i fly by them....

Believe me this things a sleeper and a half.

The intercooler imo looks kinda like a a/c or trans cooler. not very noticable behind the grille by a few inches?

So many people say "Wasnt expecting that!" "What you got done"

LOTS of people dont want to race and laugh thinking its slow.....

dude lol its a sleeper.

[GLHNSLHT2]

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Originally Posted by thedon809 I was looking at specs for the caliber srt and new evo. Both have world engines but the evo is a 2.0 and srt4 is a 2.4. The evo's 2.0 world engine 290hp and 300ft lb at 4400 rpm and the srt 2.4 world makes only 280hp and only 260 ft lbs at 5600rpm. How the hell does the evo's little 2.0 world engine make more torque at a sooner rpm.

Easy, The EVO runs a ton more boost stock, and allows the boost to come full on much sooner since it has AWD.

With slicks or drag radials and either an intercooler swap or exhaust swap (take your pick on those 2) a NSRT4 will run 12.7@110-111. Stock they run 13.9@98-101. Faster than the Caliber stock. The "world" engine isn't any better than the old 2.4. Just different. When you're talking about full out racing of the two I bet the power would be the same. And so the lighter NSRT is gonna stomp the heavier and less aero dynamic CSRT.

[85Shelbinaton]

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Originally Posted by turbokat take it from someone who owns one. they are not recognized anywere around, and really are not known about. 90% of the people i race jaws drop when i fly by them.... Believe me this things a sleeper and a half. The intercooler imo looks kinda like a a/c or trans cooler. not very noticable behind the grille by a few inches? So many people say "Wasnt expecting that!" "What you got done" LOTS of people dont want to race and laugh thinking its slow..... dude lol its a sleeper.

then u must live where there are a bunch of morons, cuz where im from, ANYONE would spot that thing in a heartbeat. we actually have 2 of them cruise around all the time, EVERYONE around here knows what they look like. i guess the people around here just arent as dumb as the people u know

[turbokat]

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Originally Posted by 85Shelbinaton then u must live where there are a bunch of morons, cuz where im from, ANYONE would spot that thing in a heartbeat. we actually have 2 of them cruise around all the time, EVERYONE around here knows what they look like. i guess the people around here just arent as dumb as the people u know

i guess not. theres probobly one key, really stupid person around you then, making up for the rest of the people.

[MOPAR_TUNING]

Why are you guys arguing on whats faster. NSRT4 or CSRT4? Fotget obout that and go buy a late 80s ealy 90s Turbo MINI-MOPAR for $500-$1000, do some basic and cheap modifications to the engine with about $1000-$2000 and Run 12-11-10 second 1/4 miles all day long and still drive it to work every day. And you know whats better than that? INSURANCE IS ABOUT $40-$60 per month.;)

Thats a total of about $3,000 for a car that will for sure beat most SRT4s.

Now if i take the $13-$15,000 you guys spend on stupid SRT4s and put tha kind of money into My $300 Turbo2 shelby daytona Intercooled with the A555 transmission. I 100% Guarantee ANY OR YOU SRT OWNES THAT YOUR SRT WOULD NEVER EVER BE AS FAST AS THAT $300 DAYTONA.

Am i right or am i right?

[spudwiser67]

Just wanted to ad my 2c. my brother has a jap 240sx with a ka24det stage 1 that runs like hell, but a stock nsrt-4 stage 3 will eat it live. we were out in it the oher day guy in a csrt-4 tryed to race him but there was no chance the 240 left him sitting at the light, and got sideways to boot. I am pretty shure my laser properly tuned would out run one to.

[spudwiser67]

Oh and I vote C crush all the ugly turds.

[Chuck's_SRT-4]

Calibers =

And for the record, when it comes to making BIG hp (over 600 whp) reliably, the Caliber motor is going to FAIL with it's open deck block!

The Caliber's stock bottom end has not yet surpassed the stock bottom end record of the NSRT-4.

When a stock Caliber bottom end makes 630+ UNCORRECTED WHP (and understand UNCORRECTED! I'm not talking about, "It WOULD make 630 IF it were at sea level"...that shit doesn't fly) without breaking shortly thereafter or during the run , let me know.

[pumaboyairn]

Here' s the last uncorrected #s I could find with stock bottom end for the CSRT4 per Aaron @ RealTune....(keep in mind, this is also with the stock fuel pump)

New Dyno #s From The RealTune/DCR Red Shed - Dodge Caliber Forums

for those that can't link to it or read it, the #s are "568whp 504wtrq SAE, 571whp 506wtrq uncorrected." (2nd post in the thread by Aaron@Realtune)

Posted on 4/4/2009, so only 60whp to go (uncorrected). And with AGP's new log manifold bout to hit the market for some crazy turbo upgrades, I see that uncorrected 60whp only as a starting marker for the stock bottom end. I can imagine the Red Shed will be a real monster compared to the Red Sled when it's finished. Good luck to the Neon on keepin that uncorrected whp record...

[snkmug]

Aaron/Realtune is the only person out there that has any love for a Caliber. Even DCR dont make much shit for them. You wont find near as much of the aftermarket stuff for the Caliber, as there is for the Srt-4. Its a mini-mini van people not a car. Torque steer is horrible as well. Its a disgrace to the srt-4 badge. You cant polish a turd. They could have had a AWD 2.4 Avenger Srt-4 or Srt-6 instead. Whoever made the Caliber decision needs to be shot....Its pathetic when 90% of Dodge fans bash on the Caliber, that should tell you something right there. And who would even buy one? Thats even more pathetic......Whats this 285 in fourth shit? My Dcr Nsrt put down 380hp to the wheels in forth, with 20lbs boost. Wanna line up yout fart box with my Nsrt? Its just a neon and a sleeper....:)

[turbokat]

One day you will all understand =) i consider this a 2nd gen omni glh. like a good painting, neither are appreciated until the bloodlines dead.