turbo reccomendations

[Ondonti]

Feel free to use names rather then be vague.
Feel free to post specific critiques of suggested turbos.

Otherwise it really doesnt help. I dont see anyone posting who hasnt taken the expensive turbo leap themselves.
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Rob, you can always go with a creative boost control system. When you start making that much power, you are not going to hook up. No matter if you are using a 50 trim to make 40whp or a sc6152 (Larry's turbo) or a gt3582(r). Large turbos can actually make a car more drivable as long as you are not driving around with the boost really high. At that point, its obvious the car will be a monster but its your fault for having the boost too high for the street. Just because a small turbo can hook up with 20psi and a larger one cant hook up after 12-15psi, doesnt mean the small turbo drives better or is faster on the street.

And the differences of 300 rpms spool time usually only matters in some sort of ridiculous street racing. If you are racing at the track, you learn your shift points and you learn how to drive to keep in your powerband. Needing to have extra room in case someone tries to race you when you are in the wrong gear....should indicate that maybe you should not participate in that random streetrace. In contrast, if you want to use a ball bearing turbo to make it easier to stay in your powerband at the track, then that is a great idea.

I know my car seems to hurt on the 2-3 shift at the track. A little ball bearing magic would help since I cant increase the rev limiter on my car.

[bansheenut420]

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Originally Posted by rx2mazda "THAT'S NOT A DIG AT ANYONE, JUST MY OPINION!!!!!!!" I also chose the words "most" and "few" not "nobody" or "everybody" I realize that SOME TDer's do/will spend the money needed to make their cars right...me included. I also know many people know what they are talikng about, I listed "a few". Banshee(are you Tyler?), I know from your list of mods that you are also one of these people that spare no exspense. I think the holset is a bargain as well, the bang for the buck can't be beat!!! As far as the money goes........I never assume. If money was not an important factor in my build, I would go for the DBB turbo. So what it only spools a couple of hundred rpms sooner and can't be rebuilt---that couple hunderd rpm's might be the deciding factor in winning or losing a race, and i'll just buy another when it goes bad. Unfortunately, my pockets have limits(at least for now), and i'm pushing them. Back to topic, sorry Your ahead of the curve since you already have the supporting mods for a bigger turbo. If I were you, I would also try to get a turbo with a 5-bolt ford flange that your ATP WG and DP would hook up to. That would be just an easy swap, i wish I could do the same. Good luck, let us know what you get!

lol I'm Cory. Tyler has the red iroc. I didnt look at that as a dig on anyone. Just a good discusion on turbos.

[mopar2ya]

Compare the Extended Tip Borg Warner vs the Garrett GT stuff. Better spool, more power and a broader power band... Just something to consider when turbo shopping.

[Ondonti]

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Originally Posted by mopar2ya Compare the Extended Tip Borg Warner vs the Garrett GT stuff. Better spool, more power and a broader power band... Just something to consider when turbo shopping.

Find me a pair that are actually comparable. Not where there is an obvious size difference.

Extended tip just means large compressor exducer, which doesnt really matter unless the turbo map doesn't fit your engine very well, or you are trying to cheat turbo size limitations.
Another reason why the Sport compacts run them. They must have paid NHRA to change the size limitations and they are designed to get around the size limitations anyways. So a 72mm turbo with a 72mm limit behaves like a 73mm while the garretts are only 71mm because the old rules were 71mm. etc etc etc.

At least you are not like Chris, bragging about clipped turbos and pretending that Garret or Borg Warner think clipping is a good idea...pretending that the new turbine wheel designs are "clipped" when they are just simply totally new designs.
But you sell turbos so I will always be here to point out the rest of the truth just like I do to Chris.
Borg Warner is the ONLY turbo to use in Sport Compact racing, but if you dont participate in turbo size limited racing, it doesnt really matter as long as you dont choose turbonetics

[mopar2ya]

Well seeing as NHRA doesnt have a Sport Compact program anymore, the follow the money thing doesnt really pan out. Additionally the rules have and always only specified inlet and inducer size with thte NOPI rules which are copied from NHRA which now sanctions NOPI. Heres the rule..

All other FWD and AWD engine limited to a maximum 74mm
(2.913 inches) turbo, where the maximum compressor wheel
inducer diameter may not exceed 74.5mm (2.933 inches)
measured at the point where the leading edge of the
compressor wheel meets the housing; the compressor housing
inducer diameter may not exceed 75.75 (2.982 inches)
measured at the point where the leading edge of the
compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel
inducer contours of wheel may not be stepped, notched, or
clipped; e.g., the contours must be continuous features from the
inducer to the wheel exducer.

Trying to cheat? How about making a more efficient compressor wheel by researching how air reacts with different wheels? To say its cheating is like saying the DBB is cheating over journal berings..

I run pretty much everything I sell, I wouldnt purpously trash rep for a few $$. I run a Borg Warner on my drag car, well I will when its done.

Anyway, At least you keep folks on their toes and thinking, thats the type of customer I like.

[bansheenut420]

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Originally Posted by mopar2ya Anyway, At least you keep folks on their toes and thinking, thats the type of customer I like.

Its funny how many think thats not a good thing. The fact that you like customers like that makes you that much better of a vendor. Willingness to answer a customers tough questions should never be viewed like a bother.
Thanks for answering questions Wallace, rather than dodging them.

[Ondonti]

I know how they make their restrictions. But larger exducers does not necessarilly mean better, it just means better for racers who are limited by inducer size. When someone has no restrictions, ability to stay in the most efficient part of the map is more important then how wide the map is. Wide maps often tempt people to put turbos on engines where they do not belong.

Nopi = no point racing FWD anymore.