Lots of valve train noise after tons of work!

[4Daytonas]

Same as before --replace the cam and hope Delta will take care of it .Probably not though!.If not let us all know so we won't be buying anything from them!

[navyboy65]

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Originally Posted by 4Daytonas Same as before --replace the cam and hope Delta will take care of it .Probably not though!.If not let us all know so we won't be buying anything from them!

I did e-mail them, with the measurments and we will all see what they say. I am kinda interested in try lash caps though!!! Anyone know where I can get some 7mm caps that are .1" or 2.55-2.6MM thick, and at a good price??? Just need 8 of them!!!
Thanks, Seth

[4Daytonas]

Probably gonna have to go to major cam grinder for lash caps -Crane-Comp-Crower. Doubt if it will fix your problem. Normally they also have to have special retainers. Maybe not if the valve stems are long enough above the retainers.

[navyboy65]

I haven't heard back from Delta, but it was a holiday weekend! As for valve tip height I think I have about .25-.254" before I hit the locks/retainer so I don't think I need anything special. Just the lash caps. So far the bigh companies only look like they make or carry .085 as the largest, and that was crower. Not a bad price @ jegs ($25 for 16), but I need more like .1 or .11"

[navyboy65]

Latest. I just got off the phone with Delta. I told them the gap/material missing and they said wow! You can't or really shouldn't shim that much! So their solution is to weld all the lobes and then re-grind. The only thing is that he want's me to pay around $100 to do so. That is half price but??? So what do you guys think???
I looked into lash caps and I would have to get custom ones @ around $9each($72 for a set of 8 + shipping).

Does anyone know the brand new stock cam measurments, so if I do go with a new re-grind I can have them make the cam as close to original before the performance profile.

Still sucks no matter which way I go I still have to take the cam out!!!!

[4Daytonas]

Well I think it's pretty Shi**y of them to charge you for their mistake!Seems they've got you by the Short hairs though.I'd protest some more and let them know hundreds of TDers are seeing this.Lash caps is really not a good way to go but if It'll work who knows.It,s still a crutch and Delta should fix it for free!!If they're going to weld it up why would you want the original profile-why not just get a new (different) stock cam? Would you not want the performance grind on the welded journals? Then it wouldn't be undersize lobes.

[navyboy65]

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Originally Posted by 4Daytonas Well I think it's pretty Shi**y of them to charge you for their mistake!Seems they've got you by the Short hairs though.I'd protest some more and let them know hundreds of TDers are seeing this.Lash caps is really not a good way to go but if It'll work who knows.It,s still a crutch and Delta should fix it for free!!If they're going to weld it up why would you want the original profile-why not just get a new (different) stock cam? Would you not want the performance grind on the welded journals? Then it wouldn't be undersize lobes.

I do want the performance grind it's just somehow thay took way too much material off to do it. I would like them to bring the cam as close to stock as possible and the grind it to give me the maximum size lobe but still get the right profile!

I just pulled the bad delta cam out today, I was able to get it out via the trans/batter side of the head. Just pope out the plug, move a few things and it came right out!!!! Lucky for me it's the intake and not the ex. Anyways with it out I tried my best to get the most accurate measurements and this is what I came up with:
Journals of 1.886-1.885" on the Dleta cam. I checked my old stock cam and was getting 1.887-1.886, looked it up in the book to and STD for the TIII is 1.886/1.887(so pretty much the sam on delta right on with the old)!
As for the base circle I did 2 measurments one where it was the fatest/wide and tallest on the delta I was getting
W: 1.154-1.161" range
T: 1.397-1.404"range
While my stock cam got;
W: 1.329-1.337" range
T: 1-518-1.520" range


Lastly I think the book was saying wear limit on the lobes for the TIII is .5mm or .020", but book didn't state STD of lobes.

So know I'll see if I can get delt to fix this mess for free!!!
Thanks for all the help and I'll let you guys know what happens!!!!!!!!

[Ondonti]

You shouldn't be paying for anything. They ruined that cam. A cam that cant be replaced with new parts.

I know what its like when you cant get what you deserve. I'm fighting for a certain refund because "the bad economy" means warranties are not important.


My cam guy charges 100 dollars per lobe to weld because he doesn't like doing it. 100 bucks to fix the whole cam ain't bad but if its so easy then you shouldn't have to pay.

Usually when companies screw up like that, they try to give you a deal on fixing their mistake cause they know you wont pay full price but they can easily screw you for the discount price when you have no options.
If they can cover their labor costs and ditch the profit, they can pretend they never screwed you.

[navyboy65]

Well I got an e-mail back from the owner of Delta, and he said he would look into it and if indeed it was their fault that would fix it for free and send it back ASAP. So hoepfully that look at it soon since I did send the cam, and tracking shows it was delivered today.
Also for those who want to see pics of the cams I took a couple before I sent it back. The first pics is of the delta cam on top and my used/stock cam on the bottom:

The next pic is a close up of the cylinder 1 lobes, again the delta is on top, I think you can see how much the delta one is missing.

I'll let you guys know what happens with Delta.
Seth

[Ondonti]

they fubard that cam. Was it 3/16" removed?
Glad you are trying to get those responsible to fix the problem.

Honestly, they should never have sent out that cam. If the cam was damaged so they had to remove extra material, they should have contacted you, and if they made a mistake then thats just bad business.

[navyboy65]

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Originally Posted by Ondonti Honestly, they should never have sent out that cam. If the cam was damaged so they had to remove extra material, they should have contacted you, and if they made a mistake then thats just bad business.

That's what I was thinking?? I didn't measure the cam before origianly sending it in, but if it wasn't up to par they should have told me when they got it!!!!
Anyways good new is that I just talked to them and they told me they got the cam, checked it out and it is way undersized. He mentions base circle is 1.33 and mine was 1.16, I think I got the #'s right the . might be in the wrong spot as it was over the phone. They don't know how it happened? So they are rushing it today. They had already welded it and were just regrinding it as I talked to them! Their goal was to get it shipped out today and all at no cost to me. They were very nice and appologized. It would be cool if they over nighted it so I could check it out this weekend and install it? We'll see. I'll let you guys know when I get it back!
Seth!

[4Daytonas]

Gotta Say it! See I told you so!! glad they fixed you up.I figured they should.

[navyboy65]

Ok update. I just got a chance to look over them cam and install it. It looks pretty good! But the best is that It has all the meat back. Now the rocker arms fit nicely!!!! No more slop! And when I got it all back to geather is sounded like it did and should before this big mess started! So Delta came through for me!!! Here ar some pics, from my camera phone!







**** Ok now for the not so good news. Car runs great, fires right up but boost where is it??? Ok I totaly admit in my re-doing of the vac harness and all the work I did I may have hooks some things up wrong. Here's what the car does. Boost on the gauge doesn't really show un till 2250 and then its only 1-3 psi. I have to womp on it 3-4K RPMs to really see any psi and then it doesn't pass 9-10 psi that I remember. + Drivability has changed. I used to never have to down shift to go up a hill just give it a little more gas and the boots and power pop right in. now I have to drop a gear or to and get the RPM's up there??? So I hope this is enough info for you guys to pop out suggestions!!!??? (turbo is stock/original, using stock injectors and stock computer.)

[4Daytonas]

When you put a"bigger" cam in it WILL kill off some low end torque.You may have to check your vacuum lines--you do have a boost controller right? as for fixing it make sure the cams are in right and if so,you may want to advance the cam a couple of degrees at a time.You hopefully will get a response from some 16 valvers.I don't know what you need to do to the exhaust(advance it too?).Not advancing the exhaust is like spreading the lobe centerline on single cams and that will make it idle smoother and help the low and mid range.

[Ondonti]

Do you still have a set of stock cams?