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[OmniSRT4]

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Why spend money on pistons if you don't have to? Seems like people are eager to part with $$$.

OMG! LOL!! TD people are the CHEAPEST people I have *ever met* and you are saying they are eager to part with their money???

You need to hang around longer.

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Running 30psi on stock pistons is no problem if you know how to do things right.

You dont have a clue at all do you? It is *possible* but not very SMART. Even the smallest amount of detonation and your motor is DESTROYED. I suppose that you are perfect and your car is perfect and nothing *ever* goes wrong at all so you dont mind using unsafe pistons when pistons that could save your car are available.

Yeah, I like spending 5 grand on a great motor and then wasting it because i decided to use cheap pistons to save 300$.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you are so UNEAGER to spend money where it really counts?

[ozspeed]

Whatever......two words - Gus Mahon. Ran 12.2s all day with a junkyard 2.5. If you doubt what he has contributed to the TD community, then you should go find a different forum to troll.

Each to their own opinions - which I respect yours, but understand that the draw to TDs is the fact they can run fast for cheap. No need to spend big bucks like other brands.

And who said anything about spending $5k on an engine,. You could afford to by two TDs, pay for mods on both and have two 12 or 13 second cars for that kind of cash

[OmniSRT4]

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Whatever......two words - Gus Mahon. Ran 12.2s all day with a junkyard 2.5. If you doubt what he has contributed to the TD community, then you should go find a different forum to troll.

I have 1101 posts; you have 34; and you are implying that *I* am a troll?

You dont have the vaguest right to bring up Gus's name here and I will completely IGNORE that.

Did YOU give money to his family when he passed? Did YOU know him?

Just because you CAN do it, doesnt mean you should.

16V's make a lot more power on 30psi than 8v's and a 16V with non-forged pistons at high boost is a terrible idea. Yes, it can be done, but WHY? Its only gonna save you 300$.

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Each to their own opinions - which I respect yours, but understand that the draw to TDs is the fact they can run fast for cheap. No need to spend big bucks like other brands. And who said anything about spending $5k on an engine,. You could afford to by two TDs, pay for mods on both and have two 12 or 13 second cars for that kind of cash [/b]

Except that this is a forum discussing Neon headed 16V conversion and this setup is NOT cheap.

Do what you will, of course, but to not use forged just to save a *little* cash...

If you cant afford the extra 300$ then you probably shouldnt be attempting this in the first place.

[ozspeed]

Obviously since you have more posts you must be a better person.

My only point is that you can bolt on a DOHC and run fast for under $1000 if you have patience to tune. Sending out the false impression to others that you need to spend big $$ to go fast with a hybrid will only weaken the TD community.

Try running with stock Mahle pistons. You will be suprised at how durable they are.

[Rick]

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Originally posted by Akuma I have 1101 posts, you have 34, and you are implying that *I* am a troll? You dont have the vaguest right to bring up Gus's name here and I will completely IGNORE that. Did YOU give money to his family when he passed? Did YOU know him? Just because you CAN do it, doesnt mean you should. If you were a 16V person, you would KNOW that they make a loty MORE power and 30psi on a 16V with non forged pistons is a terrible idea. Yes, it can be done, but WHY? Its only gonna save you 300$. Except that this is a forum discussing Neon headed 16V conversion and this setup is NOT cheap. Do what you will, of course, but to not use forged just to save a *little* cash... If you cant afford the extra 300$ then you probably shouldnt be attempting this in the first place.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe **ozspeed** is one of only a small handfull who has a running driving 2.4/2.5 engine and even has a website that shows how he built it.

[OmniSRT4]

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Originally posted by Rick Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe **ozspeed** is one of only a small handfull who has a running driving 2.4/2.5 engine and even has a website that shows how he built it.

No, you are correct.

That doesnt make him right though.

Thing is, ther is no RIGHT or wrong here.

Its just ione opinion versus another opinion.

I was slightly annoyed at the troll comment though.

[OmniSRT4]

>Obviously since you have more posts you must be a better person.


Dont change the subject or twist the facts.

You called me a *TROLL*.

I never said it made me BETTER.

I said you have no right to call me a TROLL when *you* are the newbie. (comparatively)

[OmniSRT4]

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My only point is that you can bolt on a DOHC and run fast for under $1000 if you have patience to tune. Sending out the false impression to others that you need to spend big $$ to go fast with a hybrid will only weaken the TD community. Try running with stock Mahle pistons. You will be suprised at how durable they are.

I dont think stating my opinion is sending out a false impression.

I could counter argue that if MORE people sent out MY message we wouldnt have so many people ruining motors they JUST built and then getting pissed at TD's when it was there fault for not doing it right the first time.

Ill lay this out from my perspective, and you can say whatever you want.

If you are building a hybrid 2.4/2.5 then your goal would almost certainly have to be HP related.

Therefore, you are going to need GOOD parts.

If you are NOT planning on using the 16V to its potential, why build one at all?

Stick to Mahles and a SOHC then.

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Unless your planning on making the HP the 16V allows for, which calls for better internals, WHY would you switch to 16V in the first place.

BTW, I think your website is a great resource for info.

[Rick]

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Originally posted by Akuma >Obviously since you have more posts you must be a better person. Dont change the subjext or twist the facts. You called me a *TROLL*. I never said it made me BETTER. I said you have no right to call me a TROLL when *you* are the newbie. (comparatively)

I'm going for the junkyard build up myself. :big grin:

[OmniSRT4]

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Originally posted by Rick I'm going for the junkyard build up myself. :big grin:

Completely your prerogative.

[ozspeed]

I appreciate your opinions.

My game is to see how fast I can go for cheap. Others (understandably) want to minimize engine teardowns due to "experimenting with the limits" and spend the bucks on good pistons.

If everyone thought the way I do, life would be very boring.

An interesting note that the SRT (16v 2.4) stock block internals are good for 450hp with stock pistons. Good stuff!

[turboking]

Yo Shelbyboys i got more issues than sport illustrated with this dohc on a 2.5

I went the expensive route Balanced motor, je,s, adjustable cam shaft sprockets, windage tray, oil scraper, t4e turbo, stand alone wastegate, 4 egt gauges

Sent it to the muffler shop to have a new 3 inch put on car .

Started it up . the oil stick popped out, ignored it , it only got worse.

Took the valve cover off to give it a compression test

cyl 1 105 (wtf)
cyl 2 150
cyl 3 150
cyl 4 150

When you rev it the oildip stick pops out and the two return oil lines gurrgle(air pushing threw the oil from the pan)


The only thing i can think is i have a problem with number one piston (cracked lands or cracked ring or some buddy f*cker threw some stuff into my motor.)

Tomarrow will take head off the block and see whats up.

Only real men drive thier shelbies to sdac (no towwing)


I guess i aint one!!!!!!!!!


On the bright side i figured out an easy way to make sure youre spockets are dead on(you thought an 8 valve was hard to time try one of these. Will post

[altered7151]

What 16valve pistons would you use, TIII pistons or Neon 16v pistons? Personally id like to see if the neon pistons would work because they would give a little higher compression ratio which would be good for a race car, with the forged pistons and plenty of fuel it could be a pretty nasty combo:big grin: .

[MachineHead]

Hey Akuma please don't take this the wrong way I don't mean to offend, but I can understand how you are willing to spend $300 dollars on forged pistons. You said in another post that you were a System Administrator-you are probably rolling in money. LOL! I am as well (a System Admin that is), only I do it for the US Air Force so lets just say that I have to use cast pistons for now!

I find it odd how much money people are spending on these 16V hybrids. I am working on one myself and I will have less than $1000 into it when it is up and running. That is including everything, up to injectors and a cal. I have a usable turbo that I will upgrade later, but still I won't hit the $2000 mark.

How much of the work is everyone doing themselves? Are you (those spending more than $2000) paying a machine shop for a lot of the work?

BTW- altered7151 - You cant use a neon piston in a 2.2 or a 2.5 without custom length rods, and the compression would be over 11:1! Way to high even with race gas for cast pistons. FYI- the DOHC Neon pistons are Mahl's.

[OmniSRT4]

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An interesting note that the SRT (16v 2.4) stock block internals are good for 450hp with stock pistons. Good stuff!

Actually, I disagree. The SRT-4 rods can't take 450HP. They are weaker than T2 rods but stronger than LW's.

Id say more like ~350HP.

The pistons (assuming NO detonation) and the crank can take it though. As can the block.

Once again, if it were ME, id upgrade to Wiseco forged 2.4 pistons and some T2 rods.