Idea for 16v conversion kit vendors should ponder

[juxsa]

Here is an idea for TD Vendors to consider with the creation of a 16v conversion kit.

I think that what you could do is make detailed instructions along with good pictures.
Throw in all the things you need to block off what ever holes that need to be blocked off on the block.
Throw in the gaskets, intake and exhaust manifolds.
Show exactly where to drill in the block and how deep and how wide and supply the fitting that goes in there.
Then have 2 options with the head.
Either sell the fittings and blocking things for the head or have the option to send in the head and have the vendor do the work on it.

Ozspeed's site is pretty good for showing how to do it but not quite good enough IMO for the novice. I have read it several times and have a fairly good understanding on how its done but I don't feel secure enough to do it myself because the site is still not detailed enough for me. Plus it talks about fabricating a bunch of stuff that I don't think is even needed now.

I think that it wouldn't cost very much to throw a kit together and a vendor could make a big profit off of it.
Think about it. How much does it cost to make an overly detailed instruction manual with tons of pictures? You don't even have to print it you could just mail it on a CD.
I think the only pricy parts are the head, fuel rail, the intake, and maybe exhaust mani.
And the customer has to provide the head any way. Hell, if some one even made detailed instructions that were awesome and sold them for $50-$100 on CD I could print it and take all my stuff to the machine shop and have them do all the drilling and blocking and whatever else.

Other then time how much would it cost you to make a set of detailed instructions with highly detailed pictures... you know, make it easy enough that a 3 year old could do it

[russ jerome]

96% fabrication and 4% instruction.
100% of the instructions are online.

[juxsa]

yeah. Ozspeeds site is pretty good but I would like to see more detailed pix. His are really out of focus and kind of hard to see what he is talking about. I know I would feel much more secure doing it if I saw good hi rez photos with arrows pointing to the parts that been modded (a before and after is even better). I think any one could do this and make a few bucks also.

[scott]

my feeling is that if you need overly detailed pictures of how to do it...then you would probably be better off spending your $ building up an 8-valve or an r/t motor. I don't want to sound rude...but if you don't know what holes to plug in the head from looking at it on a bare block, you shouldn't attemp the conversion (same goes for the block). That being said, there isn't a lot to it if you can fabricate what you need (intake, exhaust, oil lines). I also agree with what russ said, 100% of the directions are online...the fabrication (how to implement them) is up to you!

--scott

[tkelly27]

I'm on the fence about this one. On the one hand having just baught a 16V head I've got the "holy crap, what am I supposed to do with this!?" feeling. On the other hand, this really isn't something anyone is going to write a "for dummies" book about. Mayby if there was an intermediate step, for example the last thing I was in over my head on, custom cals. Theres buying one, D-cal, or just going in and decompiling the binary and changing it yourself. Then again, you guys are all here and if I need a better picture of something I've just gotta ask!

[russ jerome]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkelly27 Then again, you guys are all here and if I need a better picture of something I've just gotta ask!

Yup just start it tonight and ask questions as you do it.

Step #1:



The three thick plugs are 1/2" NPT, the holes were enlarged to
accept the 1/2 NPT with a 5/8" rheem, just deep enough to
run tap in gently (we dont want to force anything together
here as it is just an old oil drain, no pressure).

The thick bolt is 7/16" fine, no pre drilling just tap her and locktite
the bolt securely, this used to be your oil feed to head.

The skinny bolt is 3/8" coarse, again simply spin her in
and locktite it in place. This used to be the vent from
block to head for crankcase pressure.

Tuesdays we will drop block off at machine shop, he will deck
head and all the hardware we had sticking out is gone:



Ready for head mods now, first we will...hang on need another beer...

[Una]

hahaha, rock on.. Russ rulez.

[juxsa]

There we go. We now have the begining of a 16v conversion how-to guide. With Great in focus pix. I knew that I would have to block off those 3 big holes but I didn't know about the 2 smaller holes. The other thing I am interested in seeing on the block is where you are drilling for oil returns/feeds ect...

I also look forward to seeing detailed pix of the work done on the head.


A picture is worth a thousand words I don't mean to say that I would like a "for dummies guide" but Russ, your post there along with the pix explained more about whats needed then anything I have found on the net. Simple instructions along with great pictures. If you want, I will compile all your photos along with your instructions and make a how to guide that I can host on my website.

[Una]

Got tons of space free on "www.dodgeturbo.info"...

[russ jerome]

Quote:

Originally Posted by juxsa The other thing I am interested in seeing on the block is where you are drilling for oil returns/feeds ect... .

We'll need to document the head better, few ways it can be
done but they all work. Keeping it simply here is a 2 into 1
drain that will handle all the restricted oil flow to head. Watch
your driveshaft location, I keep a gutted common block and
413 in garage for mockup.

[juxsa]

Here is the info so far
http://home.comcast.net/~juxsa/carstuff/16v/16v.htm
I am ready for more

[tkelly27]

lol, you started out asking for a tutorial you could buy, and now you are making one! Bookmarks updated

[russ jerome]

Quote:

Originally Posted by juxsa Here is the info so far I am ready for more

If you were to build one as we followed along we could
get another view I'll make a point to get some pics
this week while in garage, have a converted head that
may see use on van one day.

Honestly I used to have a bit of text online but pics
seem to tell the story better.

[juxsa]

I actually have a DOHC head. When I get the info and pix on the head I might just do it. I am also going to talk with ozpseed tonight or tomarrow and get more get his opinion on it.

[scott]

here's a pic of the head: