useing the Stock DOHC cam/crank sensor w/ megasquirt v3

[shelbyplaya]

is it still worth getting?

[UnaClocker]

Is what worth getting? The Megasquirt? Yes.

[ZoskalonMPI]

Sorry, I'm totally confused. If you make a hybrid and MS it, can you use the stock HEP signals to fire the coilpack? Wouldn't that be so much easier? You could use the stock intake manifold and have clean, supershort plug wires. Or am I missing something?

[shelbyplaya]

I was refering to the cam sensor.

I plan on useing the stock HEP to fire a stock style coil. i dont think the stock HEP will be able to run a coil pack.

[speeduphoria]

man this thread is confusing as hell

I think you will find as a couple others have that using the distributor(or TBI) or whatever doesnt work good, thats why many use the EDIS setup

[90TurboVan]

You cannot use a turbo distributor with MS (yet).
You can use a TBI distributor, but without the ability for DIS.
You can use 2.4 sensors with the -Extra versions of MS, but you need crank as well as cam.
You can mount a sensor ring somewhere and use the wheel decoder/EDIS options.

[ZoskalonMPI]

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Originally Posted by 90TurboVan You cannot use a turbo distributor with MS (yet). You can use a TBI distributor, but without the ability for DIS. You can use 2.4 sensors with the -Extra versions of MS, but you need crank as well as cam. You can mount a sensor ring somewhere and use the wheel decoder/EDIS options.

So what you're saying, is that I should just cut the manifold and stick to the distributor.

But if you can't use the HEP, how does MS know when to fire the injectors?

Can someone just finally state, without the BS, everything needed to run the ignition and fuel injection on a hybrid using the distributor? Ok, distributor distributes spark, but does MS read off when to spark from the HEP or would I need like a cam sensor also? Does the HEP send the signal directly to the ignition coil to fire? The turbo HEP has two sensors, one for spark, one for fuel, can MS read any of those?

Or do people running the distributor just run a calibrated ECU? Can you use a distributor at all with MS or does it have to be distributorLESS? I'd really appreciate any enlightenment, thanks guys.

[speeduphoria]

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Originally Posted by ZoskalonMPI So what you're saying, is that I should just cut the manifold and stick to the distributor. But if you can't use the HEP, how does MS know when to fire the injectors? Can someone just finally state, without the BS, everything needed to run the ignition and fuel injection on a hybrid using the distributor? Ok, distributor distributes spark, but does MS read off when to spark from the HEP or would I need like a cam sensor also? Does the HEP send the signal directly to the ignition coil to fire? The turbo HEP has two sensors, one for spark, one for fuel, can MS read any of those? Or do people running the distributor just run a calibrated ECU? Can you use a distributor at all with MS or does it have to be distributorLESS? I'd really appreciate any enlightenment, thanks guys.

Man your confusing you just quoted the answers to your questions.

Use the stock TD dist which = HEP, and get a new cal(assuming the intake clears the dist), meaning you keep all your factory wiring/ecu

Adapt a dist to head use that for crank signal, again keep all of your factory wiring and ecu

Use MS and a TBI dist for crank signal(using stockish coil)

Use MS w/ EDIS for crank signal(distributorless using a coil pack))

Thats your options

So yes Most people using a dist use a new cal, only a few use MS(which requires a TBI dist, then many find it doesnt work very well and switch to EDIS)

[ZoskalonMPI]

Ok, EDIS system sounds like the best option. Time for lots of googling

[shelbyplaya]

whats EDIS?

[shelbyplaya]

anyone?

any way to use the stock hull effect and the neon cam sensor?

[speeduphoria]

I dont have MS so I'm not up on the MS stuff, but EDIS is Fords distributor less setup they use, its a toothed wheel for the crank and a sensor to read it.

Most standalones dont use a cam sensor so you dont need one, and I'm not real sure how changing the cam timing would effect it(also people that use a dist on the head)

If you search there a couple pics on here of how people have mounted the toothed wheel to a TD crank pulley

[90TurboVan]

Google is your friend...

Ford EDIS technical information

You cannot use an HEP and 2.4 cam sensor. You can only use what I outlined in my previous post.

[shelbyplaya]

It seems like MS is getting to be more work then it's worh

[shadetreeshop]

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Originally Posted by UnaClocker If you are building a hybrid, the cam sensor is useless to you.

Not really , it keeps oil in the head..