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Old 09-28-2011, 08:38 PM   #16
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Here is my unrefined solution to the starter clearance issue with old school 5 speeds and newer 2.4 blocks (inspired by Unaclocker).


This pic shows the oil passage that prevents the starter from lining up.


The below pic shows how out of alignment the starter is with the oil passage still intact.


The grinder comes out...




I cut some little steel triangles to fill the gaping holes.


Then brazed them...


This shows the starter fitted. Notice the literally 1-2mm space between the ground out cut and cylinder of the starter. Tight.




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what about the skinny starter? That is the big fat old type starter. Think the new type will fit better?
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I tried to do research on here before I jumped into this, and it seemed that regardless of which starter I was going to use, I would still have to remove significant amounts of metal from that ridge.

...So I opted to use the only starter I had and save the 100 bucks I was going to drop on the nippondenso unit.

If there better alternatives, please let it be known! Completely eliminating this passage was not what I would call an ideal solution. I originally planned to tap in a fitting into the upper-most portion of the passage that was left, and then route a line around the starter so at least that part of the head could drain. But after fitting the starter and seeing the space that the solenoid occupied, I gave up on that idea.
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I tried to do research on here before I jumped into this, and it seemed that regardless of which starter I was going to use, I would still have to remove significant amounts of metal from that ridge.

...So I opted to use the only starter I had and save the 100 bucks I was going to drop on the nippondenso unit.

If there better alternatives, please let it be known! Completely eliminating this passage was not what I would call an ideal solution. I originally planned to tap in a fitting into the upper-most portion of the passage that was left, and then route a line around the starter so at least that part of the head could drain. But after fitting the starter and seeing the space that the solenoid occupied, I gave up on that idea.
I have space time and help this winter so I am going to get mine rolling. It'll be going in my 89 CSX, not because I want to scrub the 655 engine but because the SRT engine is done and ready to go. I want to drive it lol. I think that a combo of small copper pipe and UNAs cave man filler is the right direction with the smaller starter (later starter). It won't flow as much but it'll keep the air flow balanced. As you turn left and right these are breathers. I am missing the NA 2.4 parts to get the project underway, the current goal.
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:09 PM   #20
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I have been wanting to do this swap for a while now to my daytona because i have a srt 4 motor and i work at a dodge dealer so there it a ton of stock 2.4 2.0 parts laying around . I am just so confused on it. There is so many ways people do it. Can you run your stock eletronics and how? and does the A555 bolt up? sorry for the qustions but i have looked at past threads and still left confused.
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Im sure you dont want to hear this but that braze is probobly not gonna hold up, you should tap the hole in block and put a plug in there top and bottom if you can
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I have been wanting to do this swap for a while now to my daytona because i have a srt 4 motor and i work at a dodge dealer so there it a ton of stock 2.4 2.0 parts laying around . I am just so confused on it. There is so many ways people do it. Can you run your stock eletronics and how? and does the A555 bolt up? sorry for the qustions but i have looked at past threads and still left confused.
you get the dist adapter to run the 2.2 dist in the Neon head, they move wires around. Lastly you need a cal made to run the SRT 4 engine, from say FWDperformance.com

the 555 bolts up and 2.2 clutch works but the one hole needs to be drilled.

Read through UNAs thread on his van install and look at Riches 16v parts. IT isn't an easy bolt in but it isn't that bad either for swaps at this level.
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:03 PM   #23
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Im sure you dont want to hear this but that braze is probobly not gonna hold up, you should tap the hole in block and put a plug in there top and bottom if you can
I am confident that those ports are closed for good. Why do you feel otherwise?
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:08 PM   #24
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i would have used a "nickel rod"
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it is sad but because of how hard it is to weld cast correctly where it doesn't twist and pop a weld off, the epoxy does a better job 99% of the time. Cast has to be heated till it is red and soft then hit. If you just hit it you don't penetrate the metal.

The other issue with the old plug at the top is all the oil squirting up from the crank, both ends need filling.
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So as a bit of info for others, the starter I attempted to use does not have enough power to turn over the 2.4. That starter was out of a '86 Shelby Charger, and apparently is not a gear reduction unit.
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The starter must be bad it should have enough power to crank a 10-1 motor at least in my experience, ive got a spare small starter ill donate you if you pay the shipping
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All the spare starters i have are bocshes, they sound like crap but never seem to go bad lol, ive had a block brazed like that and it it didnt work at all for me but idk maybe you will have better luck than i did
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Not a bad thing just want to make a real easy to under stand what it takes to put in a 2.4 in daytona's, Omni, Charger, Lbody, and other od school mopars.. If you have a link to good facts post it here! I am sure no one will care if I collect up the pictures and organize them in this post. I have been spending hours reading through info that was not needed clutering the plans.. Ok On with it then..

Mine for now will go with this mount.. Give you guys some ideas maybe not thought up yet.. Trans mount from L body.. Like the way it puts the forces forward!


Thinking maybe going different way like the one below. If my bolt breaks the motor will fall unlike the one below

Love this mount setup.. best one I have seen yet below. Think it is using a stratus lower mount (PM me if I am wrong) THIS IS A WORK OF ART! by someone else on the board.



3 different mounting options. srt4 (left), Not sure middle, and Stratus right and think regular neon with adaptor from a guy on neons.org "toomanyneons" (right) PLEASE PM ME WITH CORRECTING INFO


2.4 stratus with stratus mount (best mount to use very light weight compared to srt4!!


simple setup here (cleaner looking than my setup!) using srt4 mount with custom made adapter


1996 neon DOHC mount



degree wheel on valve cover and on driers fender


Thinking might cut off the top of the mount and weld a block to the srt4 mount and put threads in it.. cut the top off will give me more room to the cams


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finished looks ok..


I revised my mount to one like 90turbovan has.. much easier to make..
What intake did you use to fab yours up? looks very efficient!
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yeah he custom made that one. Really though a guy on here is doing 638 WHP with the factory SRT 4 intake sooooo. Then there is the Indy intake...... Unlike the 8v engines the 2.4 has choices, even lone wolf makes a custom one
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