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spoolinhard · **Manual tranny?**

Why isnt anybody using the newer hydrolic manual tranny? There has got to be a way to make everything work, just curious if anybody is doing this?
-Kaleb

Una · 06-19-2005, 08:22 PM

Plug and play simplicity. Hydraulic would definitely be better, but there's alot to say for just being able to simply hook up the cable and call it good.

spoolinhard · 06-20-2005, 11:34 PM

So most people just dont want to mess with it?

Una · 06-20-2005, 11:48 PM

Why bother? I've had cars in the past with hydraulic clutches.. They're far more problematic when they get old than cables are. You have 2 points of failure possible with a cable based clutch. The self adjuster in the pedal, and the cable itself. Both of which are pretty quick to troubleshoot and easy to replace by yourself. With a hydraulic clutch you have the master cylinder, slave cylinder, and the lines running between them that could go bad. Not to mention having to bleed the system when air gets into it, or when the fluid gets old and needs to be flushed. And you can't do that by yourself unless you have special equipment to help you out..
That's just my take on things..

88-16V-Lebaron · 06-21-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Una

Plug and play simplicity. Hydraulic would definitely be better, but there's alot to say for just being able to simply hook up the cable and call it good.

I agree completely. Hydraulic clutches SUCK. It is a pain dealing with them OEM with my DSM's.

Stick with a cable operated one unless you get the trans for free then it would probably be worth it.

spoolinhard · 06-21-2005, 12:01 PM

SO what would be the ideal tranny to use on the 01 on up 2.4's? I have been hearing that they made a cable tranny in the earlier RT 1st gen Neons, but I alo heard that it was weak to any kind of power.
-Kaleb

Khajjathefang · 06-21-2005, 05:02 PM

you could always have the weaker trans cyroed...

**Kid Doc** · 06-21-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleb

SO what would be the ideal tranny to use on the 01 on up 2.4's? I have been hearing that they made a cable tranny in the earlier RT 1st gen Neons, but I alo heard that it was weak to any kind of power.
-Kaleb

The numbers say they are weak. Liek rated at 160ft-lb of torque, but the real world numbers are different.... 500HP through one. But as Kajjathefang said, the cold treatment will do a lot of good. ~~Heath

Una · 06-21-2005, 09:17 PM

Wonder if you can toss the 568 guts into one of those early Neon trannies like you can with the V6 A543.. 568 gears, quaife, and a cryo treated case, I think you'd be in hog heaven.

89acclaim · 06-22-2005, 01:27 AM

The neon trans is a New Venture Gear trans, the later TD's are a New Process Gear trans. New Venture Gear is a joint venture between GM and Dodge, so the Saturn’s and stuff have similar internals as the neon trans. Here is a good cross reference for the neon trans http://www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php...=Manual+Tranny
I haven't heard that the case was weaker on the earlier trans only that the gears were weaker, but the trans are under rated. Here is a good thread of what they can take... http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=219114
Here is a page by New Venture Gear http://www.newventuregear.com/transaxles.html
The NV T750 is the SRT4 trans and it is rated at 210ft-lbs that is a little under rated.
There was some talk of mixing and matching gears on neons.org here is the thread.
http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=193703
I hope this helps.

Daniel Merrill

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Caliber R/T · 06-22-2005, 06:26 PM

The SRT tranny comes from a european diesel 4 banger so you know it can take way more the 210ft/lbs

89acclaim · 06-23-2005, 01:02 AM

No, the SRT4 trans didn't come from Europe. The Trans from the 5spd GT Cruiser is from the European diesel. Pluss the NV T750 (SRT4 trans) has a Quaife if it isn't the 2003 year.

Daniel Merrill

**The Pope** · 06-23-2005, 01:27 AM

the Neon trany is a diesel mini van trany from the UK and is a T850. Where did T750 come from? And they suck anyway, they are tough with torque but better shift it like a grandma or the shift forks bend. Junk, rather have a new process getrag with that posi.

contraption22 · 06-23-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pope

the Neon trany is a diesel mini van trany from the UK and is a T850. Where did T750 come from? And they suck anyway, they are tough with torque but better shift it like a grandma or the shift forks bend. Junk, rather have a new process getrag with that posi.

It shifts really well if you put in the correct fluid (not the factory specified ATF) and change the shifter.

contraption22 · 06-23-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Una

Wonder if you can toss the 568 guts into one of those early Neon trannies like you can with the V6 A543.. 568 gears, quaife, and a cryo treated case, I think you'd be in hog heaven.

I'm betting the Neon tranny is no weaker than a 568.