SRT4 Motor in 91 Galant VR4

[88-16V-Lebaron]

Here is an interesting question. Is the dodge 2.4 turbo the same as the 420a engine?

Is it possible to swap out a tired 4G63 motor, swap in an SRT motor with a turbo the size of your head and bolt up the AWD trans with a little finagling?

I would prefer to go with an SRT short or long block and bolt on the AWD tranny. Any info regarding this idea or is it just insanity or do I need to go with a 4G64 2.4l I am not sure if this is mounted the right direction.

[mfpmax]

Anything is possible if you have the fabrication skills.

[Ondonti]

arent the engines mounted on opposite sides of the engine bay?

[88-16V-Lebaron]

Did some more research.

http://www.labattz.com/phpBB2/viewto...0425fab3bfd78b

Cant use the 420a/srt 2.4l engine family, but can use the 4G64 and swap on the 4G63 DOHC turbo head for 2.4L of displacement and just need new rods and pistons.

The question now is can I use the SRT4 Rods and Pistons with a 4G64 shortblock and head since the 4G64 and 420a are similar except the mounting of the trans/block.

[MrRide2Low]

are you crazy, the 4g63 is one if the biggest power produceing engines in the 4 cyl world, and the 4g63 or 4g64 and the 420a are not similar and any way other than that they are enigne's. leave the 4g63 in it or built a new one, but you would be ruining a rare car if you did the engine swap crap. the 4g63 will bolt up the the tranny and such but so a 4g63 head swap first or your loseing a lot of power, and boost the hell out of it.

[MrRide2Low]

any more q's send me a pm, i'm kinda of a guru on the 4g series

[turboaddict]

my thoughts exactly. if the 4g gets looked at wrong it makes more power. that and it produces 200 horse stock seems like alot of effort for only a 30 horse gain.

[88-16V-Lebaron]

Should I go with a 4G64 block/crank with a 63 head with cutom pistons. (6mm taller deck than going with a 4G63 with a 4G64 crank) What would be better. Don't worry this would be bolt in. No hacking. I want a stump pulling torque monster for the street.

BUT if I had a 420a car like a nonturbo 2G spyder then the SRT4 motor would bolt in.

[XxhorizonxX]

why would you wanna get rid of the 4g63? if im not mistaken the 4g64 crank will go into the 4g63 block..... dont quote me on it..... but hell there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 4g63.... and besides with an awd car you would want the power up higher in the powerband.... more bottom end torque equals more frequent trannie replacement... i hope you dont plan full throttle clutch dumps with an awd car.... besides the galant vr4 is a very rare and great car..... the 4g63 in it would serve you better then trying to transplant another one....

and the galant vr4 never had anything but the 4g63 in the states... a 420a wont bolt to the trannie in the vr4.....

but yes ive seen pics of a second gen spyder eclipse with an srt4 motor on the net..... it can and has been done....

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Originally Posted by 88-16V-Lebaron Should I go with a 4G64 block/crank with a 63 head with cutom pistons. (6mm taller deck than going with a 4G63 with a 4G64 crank) What would be better. Don't worry this would be bolt in. No hacking. I want a stump pulling torque monster for the street. BUT if I had a 420a car like a nonturbo 2G spyder then the SRT4 motor would bolt in.

[88-16V-Lebaron]

Well I bought my 2.4l 6 bolt crank. It is time to make me a 2.35l motor. I want the torque for hill climbing in Vermont in my winter beater VR4

[XxhorizonxX]

why would you use that rare of a car for winter driving.... get a TSi awd they are far more common....... i might be coming across one soon ill trade you straight up for the vr4.... 1993 Eagle Talon TSi AWD Turbo 5 speed

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Originally Posted by 88-16V-Lebaron Well I bought my 2.4l 6 bolt crank. It is time to make me a 2.35l motor. I want the torque for hill climbing in Vermont in my winter beater VR4

[88-16V-Lebaron]

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Originally Posted by XxhorizonxX why would you use that rare of a car for winter driving.... get a TSi awd they are far more common....... i might be coming across one soon ill trade you straight up for the vr4.... 1993 Eagle Talon TSi AWD Turbo 5 speed

Aren't the 93's crappy 7 bolts? I will trade straight up for a dead (motor) GST convertible, not a 7 bolt 1G.

I already have a 1991 GSX I got for 1K from the original owner. No rust on the body, paint poor, interior ok, runs perfect with 144K. (TOO SMALL)

Got a Galant VR4 for 1K also. Body perfect. Needs a couple of valves and the clutch replaced so I might as well redo the bottom end at the same time. I bought a 4G64 crank for $100 and I am in the process of making a 2.35l stroker motor once I get the correct Weisco pistons.

The point of going with a 4GCS (hyundai)/4G64 2.4l mitsu motor is that you get 6mm more deck height. If you get 156mm rods and proper pistons then you get a better revving 2.4l.

The 2.4l adds about 130 lbs torque over the 2.0 with proper tuning with the same components. Torque is the name of the game for a high HP winter beater.

[XxhorizonxX]

you got it wrong..... second gen motors are the bad ones..... crank walk.... first gen motors are the ones everyone builds.... do not build a second gen motor.... you will regret it... all of the first gen blocks are very stout do not let anyone tell you otherwise... they only made around 2000 of the vr-4's all of them numbered with their own little dash plaque..... the talon im looking at is a 93 awd turbo... motor has 136K miles is actually out of a 90 model fwd talon tsi with a new turbo and now has the 8 bolt rear end and a JDM transfer case and stock tranny..... it is actually worth more then the vr4 since yours doesnt run.... but id like to make some negotiations... ive always wanted a vr4

[88-16V-Lebaron]

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Originally Posted by XxhorizonxX you got it wrong..... second gen motors are the bad ones..... crank walk.... first gen motors are the ones everyone builds.... do not build a second gen motor.... you will regret it... all of the first gen blocks are very stout do not let anyone tell you otherwise... they only made around 2000 of the vr-4's all of them numbered with their own little dash plaque..... the talon im looking at is a 93 awd turbo... motor has 136K miles is actually out of a 90 model fwd talon tsi with a new turbo and now has the 8 bolt rear end and a JDM transfer case and stock tranny..... it is actually worth more then the vr4 since yours doesnt run.... but id like to make some negotiations... ive always wanted a vr4

You are a little off on your DSM facts. 6 bolt motors are in 1G's and Galant VR4's from 90-92. The 93-94 1G's had seven bolt motors (crankwalkers), but with the old body style. The 4GCS and early 4G64 motors are 6 bolt 100m stroke cranks vs 88 mm strokes. The later 4G64 motors 94+ are 7 bolts

A 4GCS IS NOT A SEVEN BOLT MOTOR UNLESS YOU CHOOSE A 7 BOLT 4G64 instead.

The VR4 is worth about double your 93. The motor has 160 compresion in two and 60 in two others. Owner said that the beltjumped at idle and couple valves were bent (head wasn't pulled, but a very easy job that I have done before). This checked out with a compression and leakdown test. Trans shifts fine, was rebuilt with all new syncros and EVO forks from previous owner from Shedard racing (25K ago) . The car has a 16G, 3 inch complete exhaust, wide band o2, boost gauge.

I want the torque. This car is fine for a 400WHP winter beater. What should I use a 30K EVO or an S4 for an AWD beater? Why go low power in the winter. The whole point of using a VR4 for a winter beater is it can be made to have 400WHP for 3-4 K including the car

[Travis_k]

Galant vr4s cant be all that rare. lol I have seen them around here a few times, and they never seem to sell for very much or very quickly when they are for sale. lol Of couse, than most turbo dodges dont sell for much either. lol