DSM Power

[DirectConnection]

Tossing fan belts? I would think a car from the '90s would have an electric fan. Besides, if a crank was to walk *that* much, I would doubt the engine would run after because wouldn't it be tossing a rod out the block 1st? Maybe there was a pulley issues instead?

On the 500 and 600whp subject, I was not saying it hasn't been done. I was stating that some baby-faced pimpled up 19 y-o was telling me it was going to be 500hp at the wheels...easy. I don't care if the kid buys all the right parts...I am sure it will be an under-achiever. They have the part-ricer mentality. Thinking their ebay intercooler is the shizit with only 6 rows, and 4feet long. I didn't want to tell them I was building a 325whp TD because they would scoff at that even though they *think* their rides already make 325whp+ but more like 200.

[krazy4]

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[T2 shadow]

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Originally Posted by DirectConnection On the 500 and 600whp subject, I was not saying it hasn't been done. I was stating that some baby-faced pimpled up 19 y-o was telling me it was going to be 500hp at the wheels...easy. I don't care if the kid buys all the right parts...I am sure it will be an under-achiever. They have the part-ricer mentality. Thinking their ebay intercooler is the shizit with only 6 rows, and 4feet long. I didn't want to tell them I was building a 325whp TD because they would scoff at that even though they *think* their rides already make 325whp+ but more like 200.

There are way to many people who say they have more power than they do or ever will. And as for the crank walk issues it happens alot to the guys who start boosting and don't take care of the thrust bearing problem. It kinda reminds me of the 403 olds small block people say they are junk and not worthy for the 77-79 Trans Am,anyway people say the window mains will blow apart.Dick miller built a pump gas N/A 599 hp street 403 to prove people don't know what they are talking about .
And the same thing can be said in the dsm 7 bolt vs 6 bolt.The 6 bolts are way tougher,but the 7 bolt is a very capable motor it is just going to cost you a lot more.... You are so right though they would not respect your 300 hp TD till you waxed them. The TD has a lot more usable torque.I liked my 92 talon awd awesome take off,but the shelby pulled away everytime in the midrange. You should get him to race you when they are done with it.

[DirectConnection]

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Originally Posted by T2 shadow You are so right though they would not respect your 300 hp TD till you waxed them. The TD has a lot more usable torque.I liked my 92 talon awd awesome take off,but the shelby pulled away everytime in the midrange. You should get him to race you when they are done with it.

Well..if shooting for 500 easy whp, I am sure the parts purchasing part might be in the ballpark. So, that being said... an "under-achiever" 500whp DSM would probably amount to 350-400whp in their hands. Don't think the outcome would be in my favor even though my car weighs about 300lbs less.

One thing I noted that they scoffed at was that I told them it will take big boost...somewheres over 30psi. He laughed at that remark and told his dsm friend that. I am guessing they think 20psi will give them 500whp. Shep's de-tuned car at 20 psi yes, but not their's.

[krazy4]

tell him he might have 350whp at 20 psi of boost

[DirectConnection]

Wish I put all my $ into one of my T-III motors instead of the 8v 2.5. I think I am just simply getting HP envy. Go with what I have for now...T-III in the next round (unless someone wants to buy a very built 2.5 8v)

[enforcerdaytona]

Alright my other car is a '91 Galant VR-4, for those of you who don't know Mitsu made them in 91 and 92 a total of 3,000 were imported, it's an AWD 4G63t in a Galant body. I have been dealing with 4G63t's since before I bought mine in 2000 because my brother owns a '91 Talon TSi. So 1st off 6 bolts CAN crankwalk, it is VERY rare I only know of about 4 cases of it happening. If your 4G63 is throwing belts that means that the harmonic balancer has started to seperate. There is a rubber strip pressed in the middle of the balancer that begins to deteriorate over time and the pulley will physically move back and forth. Usually the outer portion will come fall off, but I could see it being possible that it is still hanging on like that. They are ~$100 from Mitsu. Also the later 7 bolt (6 bolts and 7 bolts refer to the number of flywheel to crank bolts) have thinner connecting rods. Alot of 90-94 guys will take pistons from a 95-99 which uses 8.5:1 compression instead of 7.8:1 it comes with stock. Common problems the FPR has too small of a hole to return fuel from a 190LPH or larger pump so you should go with an AFPR (it's really not that critical, I have my stock FPR with a 255 fuel pump). Next is the balance shafts. They can spin a bearing, and also they have a very tiny belt that drives them and if it breaks will take out the timing belt and most likely take out the timing belt (I got lucky with mine and it only jumped teeth and didn't bend a valve... which I did later), so yes they are interference engines. The 91-94 use a water to oil cooler which has been know to back out and spill out all of your oil. Because of this they also get a bad rep. because people will overtighten them and break the cooler causing oil and coolant to mix (I still have it in my car and so does my brother). This one is NOT commonly know or done, when you take out the balance shafts it raises the oil pressure to a big extent and so you need to drill out the oil passage in the oil filter housing. Mine was passing 100 psi no problem above 3k rpm or when the engine is cold. Now it's solid at 75, just like it is supposed to be and there were no effect on lowering the oil pressure at low RPM. They are also prone to oil leaks, but that could also be because of the oil pressure problem. Ever since I drilled out my housing I have had no leaks. The ECU's also have electolyte capacitors that over time will become porous and leak acid on the ECU, so you need to change them, not a big deal. The also have very sensitive knock sensors that will pick up knock even when it is not there. A lot of times it is from things like bad motor mounts or some other noise none engine related. Personally I don't have knock issues, but my brother does. IMHO it is MUCH easier to work on my EDR motor than my 4G63. I am glad I started with my TD they are MUCH simpler to work with. As for power it is MUCH easier to extract from a 4G63 mostly due to the cylinder head design, 16V, the exhaust is not right below the intake. Oh and as for 600HP from a stock short block, BS the rods are good for 450 HP max. If you or any one else has any other questions feel free to email me at galantvr4wd@yahoo.com , because I am not on here very often. Oh and their tranny's suck.

[enforcerdaytona]

Oops sorry the server was slow and I double posted.

[The Pope]

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Originally Posted by DirectConnection Tossing fan belts? I would think a car from the '90s would have an electric fan. Besides, if a crank was to walk *that* much, I would doubt the engine would run after because wouldn't it be tossing a rod out the block 1st? Maybe there was a pulley issues instead?

Could be a pulley, actually that harmonic ballencer. But many have clutch issues and don't under stand why and it's because the engine still runs good with crank walk. The early 3.3 has rod walk, you would be supprised how much movement can happen and not break things. But the movement will make how long some thing lives allot shorter. 3.3s with power put to them can blow up, even stock they chucked rods in 90'. As far as saying fan belts, many call them fan belts whether or not a fan is connected to them or not.

[PaintPeelinPbod]

Have a friend with very beat up fwd talon with grainger, 3-inch side exit (which i made), some other minor stuff, stillin running a sidemount.

I would bet it would run mid 13's if it could put power down. He's only spent about 2 grand on it.

Im a little jealous.

[Dan Culkin]

You know, you guys talk about crank walk as if it can't happen to a turbo dodge.

[88-16V-Lebaron]

I am in the process of seeing how much power you can get out of 93 pump gas as a daily driver in my Galant Vr4

[Ondonti]

Um, talk to spoolin in Utah if you think 500whp is not possible on the stock rods and 8500rpms with cams.


BTW, since when did the stock shortblock have forged pistons.............

[cky]

I was into dsm's before td's. I have about 6 friends that own or have owned one. 500 whp short blocks are very very rare and will probably blow up in acouple houndred miles if anything in the tuning fluctuates at all. the most i have seen is 475whp but a 400 whp dsm is much more common. between all of us here there have been 4 400whp+ cars, and 3 of them still run on a daily basis with no problems. 2 of them have about 10k each into theirs and never had any serious problems with them. dsmlink is a godsend for the dsm community, so super easy to use, that and a wideband and you'll run for along time. its super easy to even make a stock dsm fast. put a boost controller on it and turn it to about 17-18 psi, k&n filter, 3in exhaust turbo back and a 255 fuel pump and your doing mid 13's all day. the one car i owned, before i bought it all that was done was 20 psi 2.5" turbo back fuel pump k&n and clutch and he ran a 13.4 at 99 mph with his mom in the car and a system in the back. sounds untrue but i watched it, he dumped the car from redline and cut a 1.6 60ft, i can't believe he didn't break anything since it still had a 3 bolt rear end in it. excellent platform to go fast with anyways. its just the maintenence that kills, the motors are beasts but everything bolted to them likes to break haha. and be super super carefull with your timing belt, one slip up and your motor is toast.

[njshift]

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Originally Posted by 88-16V-Lebaron I am in the process of seeing how much power you can get out of 93 pump gas as a daily driver in my Galant Vr4

You need to look up Dre "the pump gas king" over here in nj. He put down over 500whp on 93 oct in his 99 gsx. I believe his car is for sale though.