Twin Turbo Cuda project motor arrived

[Jay]

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i would do it if i was you

[89Waredaytona]

i got a chance to drive a TT 94 Supra with a mannytranny. what a ride. no lag, just go. you have a mannytranny or auto? go nuts with the project. f*ck them purists, its people like them that ruin the fun of the hobby. and by all means, pics are a must. ya gotta rub it in their faces so they can see whats coming! just outta curiosity, you gonna run flow-beasts? or someting similar? I must agree, no fart cannons. its the one thing that just aint right.

Scott

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by 8valveprick I know I'm going to catch a lot of crap for even dreaming this up, but I'm going to try it anyway. Work won't begin untill I finish my Hybrid frankenstein Omni. "OH' what a feeling, Toyota!"

I am not going to read this whole thread, but I am willing to bet its been said 1000 times already. Why? If your goal to be slower then you are well on your way. If you goal is to save money, you failed..a small block is cheap to build, certainly not more than that supra motor. If you goal is handling, you failed, the straight six while only a tiny bit lighter than a small block, sits forward a lot farther because it has 6 cylinders in a row.. nothing gained here. If you goal is just "to be different" well, you will accomplish that for sure... but I highly suggest you dont take that to ANY mopar shows EVER or you will be very unhappy with what people say to you. Also, if you take it to import shows you will get *the same response*.

I don't know if this applies to you but the real problem here is that the import people have effectively brainwashed americans into thinking their stuff is better. A large number of the ricer crowd are white guys who think american cars suck. That being said, look at who's ahead in the "import" racing scene. They cant even win at their own game, so they invent a ridiculous sport like drifting so maybe they can win there. Except guess what? ...american cars are winning that too now.


Anyhow, to each there own but I think you're crazy.

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by mopar4340 you know what would be a complete waste of time effort money and a really awsome car lets put a honda motor in a viper !

HAHA! I did that in Gran Turismo 3. I have a program for GT3 that lets me edit the game saves and SWAP MOTORS!! I took a Civic SI engine and put it in a Viper!! The difference being I did it *as a joke!*. (and it wasnt real) FYI the car drove horribly afterwards.

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by slomofo So..... by having a 2JZ motor in there, the motor would sit further back which would more evenly distribute weight, reduce weight when compared with a 340 or 360 which was mentioned earlier, and be more reliable? Hmmmm..... and on a motor whose bottom end can and has supported 700hp in stock form? Yeah, what a waste.

WRONG! It would sit *farther forward* and barely weigh any less than a small block! Be more reliable!?!? How is a boosted straight 6 more reliable?! It will have more wear on the rod bearings and ther are lot more rotating parts to break. (16v dohc...). More cylinders = less wear per bearing at the same hp level. The ONLY thing it will do is make more power per liter. So what?

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by slomofo It would be awesome to have a 440 in that thing, get chromed out valve covers that leak like crazy, edelbrock intake manifold, chromed edelbrock carb, a cam, roller lifters, stainless headers, and stainless exhaust. . . that would be original. . . . oh man, these ideas are just flowing through.... how bout chrome alternator bracket, chrome power steering bracket, chrome waterpump, and even a chrome alternator itself. . . NOBODY has ever done something like that. Ooooh oooh.... here's another idea, let's keep this thing under 500hp so that you can chase honda tail lights all day long. Hmmmm..... with all that weight and power under the hood, you'd better move the battery to the trunk above the right rear wheel, this will even out the weight to a 90/10 distribution, GREAT for turning AND braking. So I think it's settled? 440, right?

A big block would be dumb. It would suck at handling. However, there is no case for swapping it in over a small block. Oh and, exactly how many honda's would be beating you if you had 500hp? Man they have you brainwashed into thinking that have magic under the hood.

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by SUPERVAN I think its cool what your attempting to do. I think it will be a harder swap but in the end you'll have a bullet proof EFI motor making tons of power and torque that will do everything a BBD motor will do plus it will be drivable and get good mileage to boot. Plus the shock factor when you open the hood! I race my minivan, that shock factor is what I live for.

HAHA. That motor will NOT get good gas mileage!

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by CletusJones Cudas weighed in just over 4200 pounds, and with no interior like he's describing it'll probably be a little less, maybe even under 4000 pounds depending on how much the new drivetrain weighs. The mark 4 supra weighs in just under 3800 pounds IIRC, that's not a whole lot of difference. It definately sounds like an interesting swap for sure. It's not for me and I certainly wouldn't do it to my own car, but it's his car and he's all for it. Who cares?

Where do you get your info? A cuda weighs about 800 pounds LESS than what you just stated. Most muscle cars are not heavy at all compared to today's cars! For example, the late 60's A bodies are UNDER 3000lbs with a smallblock!

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by 87shelbyZTII Thank You. thats at least one other person who agrees with me

+2

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by PentastarTurbo weight transfer ratio will be better than any small or big block combo.. She'll handle alot better in my mind..

Your mind would be wrong, though.

[sillywabbit]

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Originally Posted by PentastarTurbo Amen! People are swapping DOHC and SRT setups into numbered cars.. The SRT is more japanese than the engines that came in some of the turbo dodges.. I read that DSM R&D'd for the srt4 engines?

You read wrong.

[sillywabbit]

The real question here is what are THEY hiding? i searched for a LONG time and was not able to find the complete weight of the 2jZ anywhere. Even when people asked on Supra forums, no one had an answer. Whats up with that?

NHow, I was able to peice together from the weight of the shortblock/head/turbo and manifold and various other things, that it's *at least* 420 pounds with turbo's, manifold, piping, and intercooler.

Now, what I was easily able to find was this..the weight of the new 5.7 hemi, 485 pounds.

So *at best* we are talking 60 pounds for doubl the displacement but I cant say exactly because that info doesnt seem to exist anywhere.

Furthrmore, the shorter V8 will sit farther back, and if you wanna talk gas mileage, you can use MDS on the new motor and it gets better mileage than the Supra.

Now if you don't give a crap about what anyone thinks, want something completly different thats guaranteed to piss everyone off, there is thing thing called the LS1. Since its all aluminum, its actually *lighter* than the tiny 3.0liter. At least I'd understand that. (well sort of..)

[njshift]

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Originally Posted by PentastarTurbo Amen! People are swapping DOHC and SRT setups into numbered cars.. The SRT is more japanese than the engines that came in some of the turbo dodges.. I read that DSM R&D'd for the srt4 engines?

How? DSM didn't even exist at the time the A855 was created.
You must be thinking of the new World Engine that DCX, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi developed.

[PentastarTurbo]

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Originally Posted by njshift How? DSM didn't even exist at the time the A855 was created. You must be thinking of the new World Engine that DCX, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi developed.

hense the ? mark after that.. world engine.. that sounds right.