'99 3000GT VR4 info wanted

[b.auto]

The transmissions in the awd 3si cars (vr4 - stealth) are the same as the transmissions in the smaller awd dsm's. Not in the sense of identical internals, but that they are completey underbuilt.

There are numerous reasons for the drivelines failing. I have heard/read of peoples transmissions going with low mileage and next to no abuse. On the other hand, Matt Monett ran 11.50 with a brand new stock trans and 6puck clutch. It should be noted that on the first run (11.50) 4th gear went out. The trans was replaced and he has since gone high 10's. - Matt

I can honestly say, 2 out of the 3 people that I personally know who own/owned these cars, have had their trans replaced/rebuilt. The owner of the third car rarely drives his, as it is a low mileage last model year tt stealth.

They can hold the power and take the abuse, but the common consensus is they can't do those two things for very long..

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Originally Posted by fkatzenb i think an awd setup with the v6 would be awesome in a pbody! frank

I agree.

[vntned]

how fast are the 224 hp non turbo 3000gt's?

[SuperSleeper]

Not very fast because they're FWD and still heavy.

[SM-4]

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Originally Posted by b.auto The transmissions in the awd 3si cars (vr4 - stealth) are the same as the transmissions in the smaller awd dsm's. Not in the sense of identical internals, but that they are completey underbuilt. There are numerous reasons for the drivelines failing. I have heard/read of peoples transmissions going with low mileage and next to no abuse. On the other hand, Matt Monett ran 11.50 with a brand new stock trans and 6puck clutch. It should be noted that on the first run (11.50) 4th gear went out. The trans was replaced and he has since gone high 10's. - Matt I can honestly say, 2 out of the 3 people that I personally know who own/owned these cars, have had their trans replaced/rebuilt. The owner of the third car rarely drives his, as it is a low mileage last model year tt stealth. They can hold the power and take the abuse, but the common consensus is they can't do those two things for very long.. I agree.

I can't think of one stronger 5/6spd stock AWD tranny, can you? Take care of it and dont do 7000rpm clutch dumps and it's fine.

[Frank]

Check out this page about the drivetrain...


http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd.htm

[93R/T_TWINTURBO]

ya i have raced a omni b4 the thing was quick but the dude couldnt compare to the handling - he had to slow down to go 70-75 in the turns on the road we raced on as i could take them 110 no prob. no slip or tire churp.... but ya it was a fun race on a straight. we raced a few times he starts gaining on me in his 3 gear - vr-4's an r/t tt's can hit 130-135 in 3rd gear which i find to be pretty damn good for stock.. its like ya shift into second an if mash the gas after goin into second your almost at 60 at the beging of 2nd gear that is damn good stock, Any how you have alot of potental to make your car extremely fast - i have seen them do 8's-9's at the strip.... just dont neglect your handling - or ya will be had when you gotta take the turns against these crazy beasts....dont forget they have the awd an aws- i am at 412 hp an 409 lb ft of torque an i only spent about $200 on it started at 320 hp 317lb ft torq. i am soon gonna be goin shopping with my list i have here an hopefully taking it off the road all winter an not having it out till spring but will be wackin out in the 760 hp area with the torque not to far behind - wish ya luck man - i will try an ask the guy what he has done to give ya an idea to what ya should have in ur omni .... i was looking for one if you know of any for sale... i wanna make a drag only omni ...

[saw wave analog]

i have personally seen a guy i know run a 12.1 in his vr4, its modded but not to high hell.. i would say moderately modded. there is another kid here that has 2 of them and he says that they run in the 12's too. i havent witnessed it but i dont have any reason to doubt him.

[Moparmonster]

If you're handy with something like that and don't mind spending the cash for parts, I recently saw a '93 in the paper under "rebuildable cars" for $3K. Yeah, it might have been thrashed, but at least it's a starting point.

[Shelby VNT]

B.auto, what kind of guage is that in your avator? Looks very nice!

Speaking of doing 130 in third gear, I think that's terrible. With a turbo engine and a somewhat peaky power band, you'd think they could have really gained a huge drop in the 1/4 mile times by gearing the car down (numerically higher). In other words they should have made the tranny with closer ratios. What good is it to use just three gears in the 1/4 mile, when you have two good ones left at the end of the race? (six speed cars not counting 6th as anything but a huge overdrive) I call that an over geared car that would have more potential!

[b.auto]

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Originally Posted by SM-4 I can't think of one stronger 5/6spd stock AWD tranny, can you? Take care of it and dont do 7000rpm clutch dumps and it's fine.

Indeed I can - Porsche 911, 993, 996, Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, R33, R34. I have seen more than a few examples of each model get totally abused while making between 600-1000 hp without so much as a hiccup.

If you drag race an awd car you WILL dump the clutch sooner or later. You practically have to in order to keep the car from falling on its face. You don't have to launch at 7k to break something. Dig around the 3si boards for proof.

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Originally Posted by Shelby VNT B.auto, what kind of guage is that in your avator? Looks very nice!

Thanks man. It's from Defi

[RSTURBO]

Td.com community doesn't like people talking trash about they're cars, yet I see many of the same people trashing on the 3000gt? Yeah it's heavy but it's a grand touring car. It's the freaking swiss army knife of the jap super cars,

Electronically controlled suspension, you can change the sound of the exhaust by pushing a button in the cock pit, they have all wheel steering, front and rear spoiler adjusts it self to the speed your going, electronic climate control,19 gallong gas tank sorry but when I was driving 70 miles a day round trip this was the most comfertable car.

Yes things blow up but people abuse the car, 6000K clutch dumps is abusive *shrugs* you can't expect stuff like that to keep together when on a daily basis it's getting trashed.

3000GT/ Stealth Message board

[moparzrule]

^having all those options (IE all wheel steering and AWD, power everything ETC) means it's only gonna cost a crap load to fix once something breaks. Also you have more stuff to break, so....

I was weary about buying the ''pacifica'' model daytona I have because its fully loaded, and I've paid a decent amount of $ on the power windows alone. I couldn't even imagine what it would cost if sometihing broke on a all wheel steering system....ching ching$$$!!!!

[Ondonti]

I have seen them quote the 5 speed fwd to be good for 500 hp. Some think the awd trans will take a lot more hp if converted to fwd only.

Anyways, bashing on this car is pointless, when you dont understand what the point of the car is. It is a luxury sports car. It was built to showcase Mitsubishi engineering, not to be a race car. There are no street 3si's in the 10's and there seem to be only about 3 of them in the 10's, and those cars have upwards of 20-30k in them (with lots of repairs included there.

In general, the TD community has faster cars. A lot of tired out 3si's are runnig high 13's low 14's........................................Not those wonderful #'s of yore..and the different years are capable of different things. Some of those slower years are the ones running low 14's. Ahhh brain just totally shut off and I cant read anymore what I say so good night

[desertsnake1991]

I agree wholeheartedly with RS turbo above- German buddy of mine bought a Twin Turbo Stealth when he was stationed in Texas at Fighter Pilot school, and he brought it back here. Keeps it waxed, garaged, and drives only in good weather. I rode in it at a quiet, stable, "could still hear the radio " speed of 256Kmh....thats around 160mph. It is a great car, and if I ever find one that has NOT been boy racered,clutch dumped,or generally abused or totalled,then I will grab it! Its like anything else...your car, or your weapon...take care of it, it'll take care of you. If you want to thrash something, then buy a freaking Omni like these other guys here..the price of a used Turbo Omni in the US costs just about what I paid for trunk weather stripping for my BMW M3! Dont thrash a Stealth...its a cruiser, with world class handling and top speeds that are "danger close" to Ferrari stats, its comfy, and gets you "ooohs and aaahs" at stop lights. Banging them around is just Mickey Mouse...just my 2 cents worth..

[RSTURBO]

the fwd drive trannies are the same tranies found in the fwd turbo eclipses and talons, I completly agree on the price to repair, but it's what people will pay. do you think any turbododge owner would pay 1500$ for a clutch install? hell fing no but take your car to a stealership and that's what you'll pay. it takes almost 6-8 hours to chnage a clutch on a fwd 3000gt never mind a awd.



Honeslty I raprely hear of stuff breaking on these car's usually the exhaust tone buton does it's a easy pull and re soilder job. some timez the ecu cap die thats another pull and re solder. the one thing about these cars that I missed was no rustat all . I drove my 1992 3000gt for 6 years in the wisconsin and ct winters drove like a dream. Never had a rust spot anywhere. I would pass jeeps ans suv like they where standing still. Hilarious the looks you get when a bright red sports car flys by in a snow storm.

Now from the stahnd point bang for your buck, my fwd 3k I spent about 2000$ to go from 15.6 to 14.4. My 87 csx I spent 4500 including the car and I've taken two vr4's by half a car.

The other bonus to owning a shadow over these cars is police don't look at me, on average I drive about 75-85 mph to work everyday on the highway.

Cops never look at me, even my brother in law who is a cop in Chicago says he would retag me with radar if it showed me going fast just because it looks like a dodge shadow. I got 6 speeding tickets in 5 diffrent states in 3 weeks in my 3000gt. I drive the same as I did in my 3k and not even have I been pulled over once.