AWD DSM or SRT4

[DirectConnection]

The SRT-4 has the technology advantage... but the early DSM's have the advantage of being tuned for the past 15 years. This means there's alot of proven parts out there for these cars, and I feel at cheaper prices. Alot of them have been running 10's for quite some time now. That can't be said the SRT-4's AND STi's and EVO's. They are still paving their roads ahead.


Kind of like comparing the SRT-4 to the Turbo Dodge 2.2/2.5. The SRT-4 can run 10s I am sure, and has way more potential in the future... but it can't get any cheaper than the older platform that has "been there...done that" a long time ago.

In time, this will change.... in my opinion of course

[MrRide2Low]

go with the DSM hands down its the top car. it has awd and a 4g63 turbo which is easy to get part for and the 4g63 has been around so long that there are so many guru's that it would be easy to build. and the dsm's are easy to find cheap

[Ondonti]

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Originally Posted by 88-16V-Lebaron Based on my DSM knowledge this is the Durability scale 1G eclipse 6 bolt = 8 for Durability SRT4 = 7.5 for Durability 2G eclipse 7 bolt = 4 for Durbility (crankwalk) So the SRT motor is stronger than the average of all DSMs but less than a 6-bolt which has been streeted at 500HP with long term durabilty (with proper timing belt maintentance and engine controls)

Our local king of the streets was making 500+ whp on his stocker 6 bolt.

If you have traction that gets anywhere near what the dsm see's, I dont know how the srt tranny would hold up. I havent seen any 10 second 5 speed TD's unless I have missed something.

[turboGTC]

here is the BIG difference

AWD or FWD...

IMO a FWD car is no drag car and never was intended to be the AWD will launch easier harder and faster then any FWD

the DSM's have probs with diffs and trans but to be fair u put 500hp's into a stock diff or trans and u wil blow that too..

but the advantage is that there are so many inexpensive things u can go to the dsm to get them fast that it is unbeliveable... and the stock bottom end is a very tough motor

the SRT will always be the under dog to a dsm

[88-16V-Lebaron]

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Originally Posted by turboGTC the SRT will always be the under dog to a dsm

The SRT4 motor is plenty strong, it is just power delivery. If the dodge razor gets produced with the 2.4l turbo and RWD then I think the contest would be over as far as durability. I am saving my pennies for the Razor and holding off on a new SRT for that reason alone.

[Andre Parker]

I don't know about the srt being an underdog to the dsm. compare a fwd dsm to a srt4 and i'd bet on the srt. the dsm is a good platform, there is alot more aftermarket right now, but the srt does have more technology in it. they made 500hp in the srt too, but with any car, it's all going to be in the tune. You will have one hell of a time trying to tune an srt with stock type computers because of how much control the computer has. awd will always have the traction advantage from a dead stop, but it will be a handicap if you do alot of roll races because you have more parasatic drag.

[Chadxton]

I'd have to go with the tried and true DSM.

Has there been a single digit ¼ mile ET done by an SRT yet?

And to counter the argument on whether the SRT block has equal or more durability, is there a known 700-800HP SRT running around anywhere?

[glhs727]

Team Mopar guys Shaun Carlson and Darrel Cox's car with Mike Crawford were reported to be in the 800-1000hp range, but again they are not street cars although they are using the SRT-4 engine platform. I do know of one local srt-4 that laid down 600+ hp to the wheels here in Houston, fast car? well a lot of HP but the best he could do was high 11's with slicks and I saw him spin the slicks 3/4th's of the way down the track and still ran about 138 mph. But serious traction issues will keep most of the srt-4's out of the 10's.
Give the srt-4 15 years years and you will see a lot running 10's, providing there are any left with all the fools that are constantly wrecking them.
later,
Cindy

[B.A.P.]

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Originally Posted by glhs727 Team Mopar guys Shaun Carlson and Darrel Cox's car with Mike Crawford were reported to be in the 800-1000hp range, but again they are not street cars although they are using the SRT-4 engine platform. I do know of one local srt-4 that laid down 600+ hp to the wheels here in Houston, fast car? well a lot of HP but the best he could do was high 11's with slicks and I saw him spin the slicks 3/4th's of the way down the track and still ran about 138 mph. But serious traction issues will keep most of the srt-4's out of the 10's. Give the srt-4 15 years years and you will see a lot running 10's, providing there are any left with all the fools that are constantly wrecking them. later, Cindy

I heard Cox got up to 1400hp on the stock block & crank. Damn.

138mph... yeah, thats a 10 with traction.

[mech1nxh]

if only i could win,
the answer would be spending long green for 90-92 non abs mitsu
powertrain (with appropriate diff/ t/case transfer gear/custom strange axle/
upgrades) mated to a 268 getrag and a srt4 engine ....oh what the hell
.....mcleod carbon clutch ,garrett ball bearing turbo....1.01 a/r .89 a/r
maybe in my next life LOL

[Chadxton]

I just snipped this from the NHRA Summit Compact Drag Pro FWD site:
.................................................. .....................ET.......MPH
"2. Shaun Carlson ........Mopar '03 SRT-4................8.667 .. 175.07"



Don't quote me on whether it's still on stock internals or not, but that's just nuts.

[NJ87ShelbyZ]

that is pretty quick... here is John Shepherds (91 Eagle Talon) numbers...

8.43 @ 170 and video of run http://www.dsmtimes.org/shepherd/Gat...170%202005.wmv Gotta LOVE that 60ft and 1-2 shift!!!!

he has gone as fast as 177 in the traps....Now that's just nuts...

[mech1nxh]

vid clip is awesome!!!! so are the srt4 numbers........
hmmmm........i think i will put 5k wager on either
car when they race the shuttle discovery !!!

[T2 shadow]

Nice topic. You want a dsm to run 10s you better get a 92 without abs and a 4 bolt rear. The stock bottom end will hold massive power. They just need to BREATH.SRT 4 is a awesome car it needs major traction to ever see a 10 sec pass.There is a automatic awd dsm in the 10s as well. So you don't have to do a 5000 rpm launch.

[saw wave analog]

i dont really think the awd is that much of an advantage when it comes to the big dog cars like that. awd makes them a whole lot 3easier to drive to good times, and on the street its a huge advantage, but the 4g63 motor has run faster than sheps mid 8's, its just done it in a rear wheel drive tube frame car. front wheel drive cars can run 1.7 and 1.8 short times just like an awd car, it just takes a lot more driver skill and suspension tuning.

its hard to say which motor is better as the 4g motors have been in use for 15+ years in a lot of different cars, the srt platform is a lot less experienced. id personally much rather have a 10 sec srt4 than a 10 sec dsm just because there are dsms everywhere.. i cant go anywhere without seeing 5 of them. everyone knows what they are and that they are fast. an srt is weirder and a fast one is more of an accomplishment because everything you can do to a dsm has already been done 10000000 times.

there are 30 or so turbo dsms around here that i see regularly, and im sure more that i dont see. i know of 4 or 5 turbo dodges.. and thats everything from omnis to srt4's and including me.

id rather be doing something different personally. but i will admit.. girls DO love 2gb dsms

ps. crankwalk on the 2g's has been blown way out of proportion on the internet. if i did do another dsm it would be a 7 bolt just because im sick of hearing all of the friend of a friend stories and never seeing it actually happen.