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WIDOWMAKER · **AWD DSM or SRT4**

There were two guys in my restaurant earlier this evening arguing over these cars. The topic of their discussion was which car would be cheaper and/or easier to put in the 10 second quarter mile zone without Nawsss. What is your take on it?

Leafy · 07-07-2005, 02:42 AM

Really all depends on how old of a DSM you are talking about, in good condition, I'd say that A 2G Talon would be easier because of the traction advantage, but at what cost? Prepare to break stuff!

Andre Parker · 07-07-2005, 02:50 AM

I think the SRT motor has the power advantage, but traction goes to the DSM hands down. I am positive a stock SRT could run a low 13 if it could get some traction. You can't launch one hard or the tires just fry away. From what I have seen, the dsm's seem to break tranny's more. At least that's what I have seen at the track. But let one hook and they scream out of the hole. I have seen Wallace smoke a STI out of the hole while he was using slicks. Maybe the driver of the STI didn't want to launch hard. Either way, both the SRT and the DSM are good cars with positive and negative about each.

Garret · 07-07-2005, 03:41 AM

DSM would be cheaper to put into 10s I say because you could pick up a 1g talon for 1-2k if you look and since you will be replacing 90% of the parts anyways to run tens might as well buy one that's got a blown engine. I would say for 10k with everything build up on the car to handle the abuse of 10 second passes. So my vote would go to the DSM

Leafy · 07-07-2005, 03:42 AM

And another note, a DSM can run 10s on a full interior... not alot of cars can do that.

NJ87ShelbyZ · 07-07-2005, 11:59 AM

DSM hands down....

BittersweetSHO · 07-07-2005, 05:57 PM

DSM
It would have to be a 4 bolt rear and 6 bolt crank car though.

88-16V-Lebaron · 07-07-2005, 06:10 PM

Pick up a 90/91 DSM with a 6-bolt with a low rpm belt loss for about $500. Send out the head get it race ported for $500 and the valves fixed. Get a good turbo $800 and injectors $250 and venom intake $300 with e-prom computer with programmer $500 and 3 inch exhaust $250. You are in the high 10's

for $3,100 plus extras to keep up with the breakage.

88-16V-Lebaron · 07-07-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BittersweetSHO

DSM
It would have to be a 4 bolt rear and 6 bolt crank car though.

Get a 90-93 1/2 car without ABS

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88-16V-Lebaron · 07-07-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andre' Parker

I think the SRT motor has the power advantage, but traction goes to the DSM hands down. I am positive a stock SRT could run a low 13 if it could get some traction. You can't launch one hard or the tires just fry away. From what I have seen, the dsm's seem to break tranny's more. At least that's what I have seen at the track. But let one hook and they scream out of the hole. I have seen Wallace smoke a STI out of the hole while he was using slicks. Maybe the driver of the STI didn't want to launch hard. Either way, both the SRT and the DSM are good cars with positive and negative about each.

The 91 DSM at my local mitsu is in the low 13's with the stock turbo, stock injectors and big exhaust

88-16V-Lebaron · 07-07-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Garret

DSM would be cheaper to put into 10s I say because you could pick up a 1g talon for 1-2k if you look and since you will be replacing 90% of the parts anyways to run tens might as well buy one that's got a blown engine. I would say for 10k with everything build up on the car to handle the abuse of 10 second passes. So my vote would go to the DSM

You can get into the high 10's with a stock bottom end. The stock trans can run into the 10's without breaking if you don't speed shift. It cost only $800 for a complete trans rebuild at a couple of top notch shops

88-16V-Lebaron · 07-07-2005, 06:18 PM

As you can see I have a couple of DSM's a 91 GSX and a 91 Galant VR4. Other than some stupid quirks the are F'in great cars. Not for the person who skips maintenance and ignores early warning signals. They need to be watch closely but will last if you do what is takes to nip problems in the bud

mfpmax · 07-08-2005, 04:18 PM

The real question would come down to knowledge an expierence. Someone that knows SRTs well might be able to make an SRT faster for cheaper if they know what to do. And as 88-16v-Lebaron shows...knowledge will help you go faster cheaper.

Andre Parker · 07-09-2005, 06:49 AM

The SRT's main problem is going to always be traction, or lack of. If you could get it to hook up, I personally think the stock SRT motor is stronger. The DSM has the traction advantage all the way. From that basis, the DSM would be easier because you will have less in the drivetrain because of awd. If both were fwd, then your going to be spending alot of money which ever way you go for motor and drivetrain mods.

88-16V-Lebaron · 07-09-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andre' Parker

The SRT's main problem is going to always be traction, or lack of. If you could get it to hook up, I personally think the stock SRT motor is stronger. The DSM has the traction advantage all the way. From that basis, the DSM would be easier because you will have less in the drivetrain because of awd. If both were fwd, then your going to be spending alot of money which ever way you go for motor and drivetrain mods.

Based on my DSM knowledge this is the Durability scale

1G eclipse 6 bolt = 8 for Durability
SRT4 = 7.5 for Durability
2G eclipse 7 bolt = 4 for Durbility (crankwalk)

So the SRT motor is stronger than the average of all DSMs but less than a 6-bolt which has been streeted at 500HP with long term durabilty (with proper timing belt maintentance and engine controls)