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post #1 of 298 Old 06-01-2013, 07:37 AM Thread Starter
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1990 Dodge Daytona rear wheel drive conversion

Hello all,

Thought I'd upload some pictures of version 2 rear wheel drive conversion on my 1990 Dodge Daytona RWD conversion. This design completely bolts in!! Yes we still need to remove the spare tire well and relocate the gas tank, but it's the least cutting design I have to date. It also uses frame connectors that go inside the front frame rails all the way up to the turn up at the firewall. After bolting in it's welded in to ensure strength. Mocking up the fuel system now and plan to drive it around for a bit with the front wheel drive to see how it rides then I'll start version 3 of the front.

Already planned changes:
- custom gas tank that uses Daytona fuel pump and gas gage

UPDATE: 4 June
I got the car running today and took it for it's first drive! It's still front wheel drive, but now the back is 100% done. I'll start the front once I get to KS.

The rear suspension is awesome!! It rides like a stock Daytona! The ride height is perfect. It sits about 1" lower than a stock Daytona and I have plenty of adjustment to go up or down.

I finally got the front set up today too. So I'm running a Grand Caravan wheel bearing, with Ford .590 knurl 1/2-20 3" studs, .380 thick hats with .260 offset and 13" rotors with a .712 caliper spacer. I put the longer wheel studs in for added security and to make the whole car 1/2 -20 thread. The best part is now everything is 5 x 4.5" and I can run a single bolt pattern wheel with no wheel spacers.

More to follow
Enjoy
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post #2 of 298 Old 06-01-2013, 09:39 AM
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

Looks good man! Its my dream to one day have a RWD 1st gen Daytona! Wondering if you can fit a twin turbo small block in there... must keep the Daytona TURBO accurate!
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

Thank you very much. It's a labor of love with my singular goal to provide a kit anyone can buy and bolt in. I went past the small block and right to the Hemi. Version one has a 6.1 Hemi, version 2 will have the 5.7 Hemi since they're half the money and can make plenty of power for this car.

Thank you for checking it out
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

UPDATE: 6 June

Added front fenders to check the stance. I think it'll be perfect.

It's been fun driving it around. It rides like a stock Daytona.

Just received the Quicktime bell housing today to mate the Viper T56 to the 5.7 Hemi. Once we get moved I'll resume work and start converting the front.

Thank you for stopping by
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

I'd love to do this conversion to my Rampage. It'd be a bit different with the leaf spring setup those things have in back. Was almost thinking an AWD Caravan rear end. I'd definitely keep a 4 cylinder powerplant. I like TD's for the gas mileage.
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1990 Dodge Daytona rear wheel drive conversion

Well we're relocated to KS and now it's time to get back to work on the Daytona.

Over the next few months I'll be converting the front.

Attached some of latest pictures with the nose on (just to move it to KS, it'll be coming back off to ease working on the motor) and some pictures of the 5.7 Hemi mated to the T56 Viper transmission via the quicktime bell housing.

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Re: 1990 Dodge Daytona rear wheel drive conversion

this looks great I was thinking of going with the full frame kit threw jegs but this looks so much better. I would luv to know when you get the kit all done I'm for sure interested and already have a thumbs up from the wife lol.
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

Wow ! that's all I gotta say ! WOW !

My 3/4 tonne Power Wagon has the 5.7 Hemi and it's no slouch for a 7500 lb truck.
This is looking sick !
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

All,

Thank you for the feedback. We've (Kenny and I) have been working hard to make this a bolt in kit for the average guy that doesn't want to hack his car to pieces and doesn't want to worry about all the math to make it.

You can get started on this style rear right now if you want. When I designed and had Kenny make the final version of the rear cross member in this car I had Kenny make a jig so we can make multiples. I'm not sure what Kenny would charge to make you one, but it's a pretty straight forward cross member made out of 2x4" with 1.5x2" frame connectors. The suspension comes from Art Morrison (links, coil overs, and brackets) run about $1300. The axle I use is a 1999-2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Dana 44HD ~$250, when narrowed we weld on 8 3/4 axle ends so I can bolt on 11" Willwoods with internal e-brake ~ $720 and both axles have 30 spline axles so it makes ordering narrowed axles pretty easy, I just order axles for a 8 3/4 ~$500. I also use a Spartan locker ~$350. The axle comes with 3:73 which is perfect and if you get a Limited or Overland axle it may already have a factory limited slip. For fuel I use a 16 gallon fuel cell with a Mopar fuel level gage, but honestly I plan to have custom tanks made so we can use our factory fuel pump and fuel level sender. The Hemi's need 40 psi, the factory turbo pump or a neon 225 L/hr pump will be more than enough, but that's a few months away for me.
As far as the floors go you'll have to remove the spare tire well and the portion after the rear seat mounts to the factory rear cross member. I drill out the welds on the factory rear cross member so you can leave that portion of floor.

I've spent roughly $4900 to build the rear you see in these pictures.

I'm attending ILE - Intermediate Leaders Education (I'm an Army Major and this is a required school) so my plan is to revise the front design while here. The changes I want to make from the 88 on Kenny's web site are retain the factory lower control arms, add the rear mount point to have three mount points per side, and try to see if with a front sump pan I can relocate the factory rack and pinion to keep rear steering vs. going to a Dakota rack and front steering.

Quick note about the 5.7 Hemi. I built the first car with a 6.1, it cost $8000 just for the motor!! A used one to boot! The 6.1's have come down some, but 5.7's are $2500-4000!! Way cheaper and in my opinion more than enough power for this little car. If you really want more I'd still buy a 5.7 then stroke it to a 6.4, but based on my experience driving the 6.1 88 Daytona it won't be necessary. I've had A LOT of fast cars and the 88 with the 6.1 and 13" rear tires is down right scary fast. I think the 5.7 with a 10" rear tire I'm building now will still have the giggle factor, but a lot more manageable to drive. At the end of the day you can always go with a stroked LA series small block and make the same power, but it'll cost you ~$5-6000 for that motor. For me the Hemi is 500lbs, makes plenty of power stock ~ 380-390 and is downright cool.

Hope this helps. I've started a excel spreadsheet to track prices and where I'm getting parts. Email me at allardtom@hotmail.com and I'll share what I have. I'm trying, please keep in mind serving our country is my primary job, but my passion is cars. Everything I have learned I'm more than happy to share. I'm a novice just like you guys and far from having this all professionally packaged up. I really need to build a website that shows all the pictures and prices, but I'm just not there yet.

Best wishes
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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

By kenny do you mean Kenny Exline of Exline Custom Auto?
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Yes Kenny Exline and I have been working together since 2010.

After working with him to convert my 88, we recognized that we needed to develop the rear conversion to be a bolt / weld in so it would be more user friendly. In the process I've also been working on improving the front design.
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All i can say is hell yes
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This is awesome, thanks for the info.
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UPDATE: 3 July 13

Pulled the motor and trans last night and started getting measurements for the new front cross-member. I'll order some steel this week from Metalsdepot and start fabricating a template to send to Kenny. It's going to take me a few weeks to a month since I'm slow when it comes to fabrication.

I called Kenny Exline today and told him he might get some calls for the rear setup. If you guys need his number it's: 717-573-2811

UPDATE: 6 July 13

Uploaded the latest pictures.

I ordered the steel tubing so next week I can start fabricating a mock up front cross-member. It's amazing how much variance there is in these cars from the factory so the first thing I'll do is square the front wheels to the car, which will require moving the drivers front wheel forward about 1/2", I already have an idea for the jig I'll make. The jig will do double duty as it will hold the front spindles in place while I relocate the lower control arms.

I took the time to remove the passenger side and front engine mount brackets since they'll no longer be needed and it just cleans things up.

I also took the time to stitch weld in the front frame rails to inner fender wells to add some strength.

Finally after making some measurements I have a plan!! It's a simple design, but why make it complicated. I'll be making the template out of 2" round tube.

More to follow!!

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Re: rear wheel drive conversion dodge daytona

Hello all,

Posted the latest pictures and plans for the front

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