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Old 06-07-2009, 07:14 PM   #1846
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What I dont get is why are you running e85? Run some 94/93 pump and a meth kit with that walbro . Grand National Owners run mid/low 10's on 93 pump. walbro 255, and an alky/meth kit. That's on a detonating 3.8L poor flowing, iron head V6.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:13 PM   #1847
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Their motor is turbocharged from the factory. Ring gaps are larger and top ring are located further down the cylinder.

And they only sell 91 here.
e85 plays turbos like butter plays toast.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:33 PM   #1848
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Hey what up Ondonti im Tony i know youve posted on one of my threads giving some input and i just wanted thanx, but i have an0ther question for you. Im rebuilding my engine and im having a hard time desiding if i should go with 10:1 or the stock 8.9:1. ive also thought going with forged pistons cause forced induction is im mind. but i dont know what compression to get. i honestly dont plan on going too crazy with the turbo so people say that 9:1 would be good. And last would be where and who could i get the pistons from cause every time i look on line i cant find anything, or is it a special order?

sorry for asking you those questions here but since this is about your engine build i thought i would ask...

Any input will be helpfull. Thanx
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:00 PM   #1849
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Hey what up Ondonti im Tony i know youve posted on one of my threads giving some input and i just wanted thanx, but i have an0ther question for you. Im rebuilding my engine and im having a hard time desiding if i should go with 10:1 or the stock 8.9:1. ive also thought going with forged pistons cause forced induction is im mind. but i dont know what compression to get. i honestly dont plan on going too crazy with the turbo so people say that 9:1 would be good. And last would be where and who could i get the pistons from cause every time i look on line i cant find anything, or is it a special order?

sorry for asking you those questions here but since this is about your engine build i thought i would ask...

Any input will be helpfull. Thanx

Neverminde this post...SORRY FOR THE INTERUPTION...I found what i needed.
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:35 AM   #1850
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So what coming soon?? hehe just subscribed to post that ^,^

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Old 08-29-2009, 03:03 PM   #1851
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The built heads/cams are installed on a stock 10:1 shortblock that has larger ring gaps. Possibly going to a dyno day on the 12th if I can get the car tuned.
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:08 PM   #1852
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Why aren't you using the build up short block? Maybe it was written somewhere and I missed it, but just wondering.
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:03 AM   #1853
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I have to pull it apart and repair a little damage to the side of a piston from spark plug porcelain doing some damage. Also don't know if e85 would run on a 7:1 motor. One nice thing is that I don't emit 400cubic feet of smog sitting at a stoplight.
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Old 09-26-2009, 04:21 AM   #1854
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New video being worked on. Its pretty darn long and has a little political intro since this is "great depression racing" but I'll probably make 2 versions so people don't have to watch that part :P

Street pulls and then dyno pulls :)
Accidentally hitting 24psi caused me to swear a bit :( Thought my motor blew up. hitting 600whpish oh the street when your previous pull was 9psi and about 300hp (boost controller issues from installing an aftermarket Mac valve for the EBC...I had it wired backwards) is very very very unsettling. Its quick at 9psi and will demolish most cars on the street but um, its a HUGE difference!
Got the boost controller fixed and then went out to start slowly tuning the boost up while adjusting the RRR and alky settings.
Got boost up to 19 pounds (dyno always runs less boost for some reason) and decided that was enough to win dyno day.

then dyno'd on 18 pounds of boost. Did 2 good 4th gear pulls (had to take some rate of gain out cause it was bogging from overfueling (didnt do 4th gear pulls on the street for safety reasons, obvious in video why there was concern). First good pull didnt record but I am guessing 525-550ish hp.

The next pull blew out the O ring on #6 cylinder, dumped out all 2 gallons of coolant, burned up some ground wires (fire in video!) and still did 445whp. The last pull was done from 3800 rpms so the dyno graph looks funny and torque is low (O ring blew out the moment it hit 18 pounds of boost). 3800rpm start point was because the dyno was turning off when my fuel bogged (not enough HP to register so the previous pull didn't get registered when it finally woke up :( ).
AFR was mid 10:1 so there was a lot of power left in it even on 5 cylinders!

The nice thing on the chart is that even with the cams advanced 4 degrees, the 10:1 pistons seem to love the big cams and power is still building fast towards 6000 (let out at 5900 because of the fire).

Took me awhile to get the video files but I got more trophies :)
Highest hp and most likely to blow up.

The 10:1 motor with built heads/cams is making crazy power/psi boost. 15 and 16 psi put the car all over the road in 3rd gear with drag radials, 18 and 19 psi would just blow away the drag radials so the car was actually safer!
MegaSquirt II harness is being installed in the car right now for test fit purposes. Motor still needs the headgasket/oring fixed but things are looking good. I think with 1500rpms more and cams at ZERO there will be some crazy fun in store without turning up the boost. There was some plug damage and I don't know if it happened on the last time the car hit 20+psi boost with no tune. The car started hiccuping while cruising/idling after the 20+ psi runs so thats probably when the plug damaged happened. We just sorta ignored that because the car was fine in boost. Probably some damage in the motor from the spark plug porcelain coming apart but oh well. Life goes on. Still performed amazingly, just like my built motor did. If I had money I would build a 10:1 forged piston shortblock right now.
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Old 09-26-2009, 11:46 AM   #1855
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With all the stuff you've been doing on these cars the last couple years, it never seemed to me like money was much of a problem!
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:48 PM   #1856
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I can't replace anythign expensive on my car. Thats why I havent done any major upgrades, just learnign how to use cobbled together systems. Free electronic boost controller, borrowing BOV that holds more then 16psi without leaking, borrow slicks. 100 dollar tow dolly :) Bansheenut paid for all times that I dyno'd until last weekend.
2008 the only thing I spent money on was a pressure plate. 2009 = fuel system upgrade, nothing else. 2007 I bought megasquirt, an OBX and cam gears, that was it. I started off with a huge setup so Ive been able to go faster without upgrading stuff.

Having problems with some avi files not wanting to encode so the video is postponed until I fix that.

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Old 09-27-2009, 01:47 PM   #1857
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:18 AM   #1858
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Some language in the beginning of a song and then from me when I thought I blew up my car or almost crashed on video.
I was not particularly happy about the fact that I had 2 passengers, one of which was siting on a pillow in my non existent back seat. I said that was a no go but I was not listened to.
10:1 Junkyard destroys drag radials and BLOWS UP - Car Videos on StreetFire


You can skip the first 2 minutes if you hate politics/jokes. It makes me giggle. Trying to go with a theme for fun. Video is better then some previous ones because I don't have to use windows movie maker on my old slow desktop. Ick. Premiere on new laptop :)

The SOHC did 445whp on 5 cylinders and 10.5 AFR on 18 PSI. Probably did well over 500 on the run that didn't record. The car was insane on the road, definitely more responsive then when I had my low compression motor running 20psi.

This is a 190,000 mile 12 valve 10:1 diamante motor. I am trying a different ghetto O ring trick that failed on the last dyno pull (could have failed at any point I guess). blew out the O ring and instantly dumped all the coolant the motor + had a fire.


The motor is still ticking. As long as I don't put coolant in it, its fine :P
I didn't even realize this happened (well the fire was obvious) until I watched the video. I thought it was just head flex. Then I put coolant in and...fail :P


Pretty damn Impressive IMO. If this motor hangs around its going to be running 10 second 1/4's on less then 20psi boost. Megasquirt II harness is finally built, so I should be reving to 7500+ next year.
We recently found out that G54b (2.6L mitsu in starion and minivans) valvetrain parts and valves can be used in a SOHC. (the valves are HUGE oversize valves and the springs are a double strength upgrade and some of the minivans cam factory with solid lifters (if the lifters start collapsing).

I was planning on running 10's on a bone stock 8.9 motor but I think this will still be a lot of fun, especially when I get the cylinder head seal issue worked out better. I am trying ghetto methods right now so I can at least say I tried them. Copper wire superglued to 95mm cometic worked great until it blew out. Wire was really thin so it couldn't take much abuse. My next trick may be a thin steel wire (about .07" thick ish?) on a DOHC MLS. The stock motor doesn't have a huge overbore so there is NO reason to use the 95mm comejunk. The worst thing about O rings is that they will sit out even farther then the gasekt so you might have a simulated 97mm bore showing huge weaknesses in the cylinders head.

The sohc cylinder head is definitely weak. If the ghetto stuff doesn't work, I will combine the ghetto stuff with a partial filled 12v cylinder head using devcon, then drilling out the coolant passages. The 12v head is completely hallow and just doesn't have the strength to hold up to extreme cylinder pressures. My guess on my Built motor holding 20ps decently well with just a 95mm cometic is that the 7:1 compression kept actual combustion pressures down. The 10:1 motor is much harder on the headgasket, even on less boost.

There is a good chance the 3rd time I hit 24psi boost (which damaged 2 plugs) also damaged the ghetto O rings and that cylinder just happened to "blow out" on that final dyno pull.
The accidental 24psi boost runs were probably 600+whp territory on this high compression motor BUT my front exhaust manifold (stock chrysler) has been leading me to see higher temps in the front cylinders so I think the 500+ range is not safe for this motor until I have an nice front manifold that doesn't cause massive reversion. the last motor that blew wrecked the front bank and its certainly because of the rubbish manifold. Anyone who has seen the chrysler SOHC front manifold should understand. It's not even a good part when the engine is bone stock.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:27 AM   #1859
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i love the vid


absolutly a thing of art shark teeth hood and all


i think i am giving up on the daytona running this year was hoping to get some vids too but not this year cant figure out the power to the stock computer


sorry about the thread jack there but you are really making it that the people behind you "like me" motovated to get there projects done.


just wish i had some help around me not much of a racing scene out here only frind i can find that is willing to help doesnt know much about cars and the other drives a evo8 and only wants to help tune not the work. make sure you that the people helping you it is worth it


keep up the good work man
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:00 AM   #1860
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nice :) what about ARPs and 3KGT MLS gaskets? arnt the 3KGT guys running high boos with those simple components?

Also, i thought josh had the N/A 3.0 record at 14.2.....for now hehehe
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