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05-25-2007, 01:57 PM
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#901
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salt Lake & Seattle
My Ride: 92 Duster
Engine: 3.0
Induct: Turbo
1/4: 12.700
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I got more parts for the broken car today...my alky injection kit weeee.
Now I need methanol.
stupid cam gear people arent picking up the phone but there are some pending charges on my debit card so hopefully that is one of them.
woot, checked my bank and one of the charges is the $325 for my cam gears.
My alky kit is also pending but for some reason Ive already got it.

Last edited by Ondonti : 05-25-2007 at 07:38 PM.
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05-25-2007, 10:54 PM
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#903
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salt Lake & Seattle
My Ride: 92 Duster
Engine: 3.0
Induct: Turbo
1/4: 12.700
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well since I know they have already "taken" my money i BETTER get the cam gear.
I tore apart the side of the dusters motor to get ready to play with the cam degree kit.
I did play around with trying to measure max lift and it seems that my cams lift .436" when I measure them. I measured off the edge of the valve spring retainer.
Anyways thats pretty close to the .450" that my grinder said. I dont know how accurate my measurement was. Its probably most accurate to measure directly on the camshaft and then multiply by 1.5"
Last edited by Ondonti : 05-26-2007 at 02:13 AM.
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05-26-2007, 08:24 AM
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Southwest PA
My Ride: 1993 Dodge Shadow ES
Engine: 3.0 V6
Induct: N/A
1/4: 15.680
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With no oil pressure in the engine the lifters aren't going to be pumped up all the way, plus they are opening against strong valve springs instead of light springs used for making measurements. They might be 0.450" lift when the motor is running.
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05-26-2007, 03:28 PM
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salt Lake & Seattle
My Ride: 92 Duster
Engine: 3.0
Induct: Turbo
1/4: 12.700
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yeah I was thinking that might be the case...therefore why accurate numbers could only come from the cam.
I checked the centerline on the front cam. 112 degrees. KMP's site says it should be 109 deg. Anyways I still need to check the rear cam. I sorta gave up and enjoyed the feeling of accomplishment I got when I found the number 112 lol.
Edit.
Okay, final numbers are.
112 front cam
111.5 rear cam. so both cars are retarded 3-4 degrees which I guess should hurt the bottom end and help the top end of the power range. (i think)
This means that the fuel pressure regulator leak was the big problem in making the rear cylinders read lower compression (most fuel went into #1, #3 got some fuel and #5 did as well. The compression numbers seem to reflect this.
Anyways the cam gears still seem like a good idea because I might want to beef up the bottom of the powerband (advance the cam gears at least back to stock???) when I can only rev to 6200 rpms with a manual computer.
Last edited by Ondonti : 05-27-2007 at 01:24 PM.
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05-28-2007, 12:04 AM
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#906
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Port Richey FL
My Ride: 94 Plymouth Duster
Engine: 6g72 181c.i.d.
Induct: N/A
1/4: 0.000
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how much were those gears again? I know of another way to adjust the cam timing w/o going w/ gears. But how much should I advance w/ my .029 mill and my cams?
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05-28-2007, 03:46 PM
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#907
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salt Lake & Seattle
My Ride: 92 Duster
Engine: 3.0
Induct: Turbo
1/4: 12.700
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325 shipped
I really cant tell you where to put them:P
I looked again and stock is 110 deg so Im only retarded 1.5 deg and 2 deg on my cams.
Last edited by Ondonti : 05-28-2007 at 06:47 PM.
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05-28-2007, 04:48 PM
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#908
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
My Ride: 92 sundance duster
Engine: 3.0L 24v
Induct: N/A
1/4: 14.960
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yeah, retarding the cams raises teh powerband. found that one out by accident in my geo prism after a headgasket job (still have to reset em) its a dog down low, then pulls like a raped ape once you hit 4K (its a toyota 4afe)
i would see if setting them back to stock or a bit advanced will give you your bottom end back.
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05-29-2007, 12:50 PM
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#910
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Port Richey FL
My Ride: 94 Plymouth Duster
Engine: 6g72 181c.i.d.
Induct: N/A
1/4: 0.000
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Originally Posted by XR Tuner
You need to get a degree wheel and learn how to set your cam timing the right way.
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Cams are lined up, but what good is a degree wheel going to do w/ stock cams?
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05-29-2007, 01:36 PM
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#911
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salt Lake & Seattle
My Ride: 92 Duster
Engine: 3.0
Induct: Turbo
1/4: 12.700
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I might have to be rethinking this project now. i just got back from a lasik surgery screening and my cornea are too thin for lasik. Means I basically have to give up my goals of working soon and replace that with the LSAT and lawschool 
Probably means I need to change some priorities and be prepared for being poor for the next 5 years.
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05-29-2007, 07:30 PM
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#913
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Southwest PA
My Ride: 1993 Dodge Shadow ES
Engine: 3.0 V6
Induct: N/A
1/4: 15.680
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Not to get off the subject of the car and engine, but LAW SCHOOL? Isn't the job market for lawyers flooded already, with more in law school already?
I've known people on other car websites who went through law school, as well as one relative of mine, and they both told me a few years ago that there are too many lawyers out there already and only those who graduate at the top of their class have a chance at a decent paying job.
I'd suggest some other career goal, maybe an accountant or something, financial people always seem to be rich.
* unrelated point -- a few weeks ago I was flipping channels on tv, and came across one of those "People's Court" type shows. The defendant was some first year law student who thought he knew about the law, and the judge proved to him he didn't know jack. He made a real ass out of himself spouting off the legal terminology he heard in his first year law classes, and I thought it was pretty funny.
On to the car now, I know that the old big block mopar V8's had some sort of offset dowel bushing to set their camshaft timing, and it was a matter of drilling the stock pin hole larger and putting in the offset bushing. I wonder if that could be used on the V6 cam timing setup?
Job schmob, no priority is greater right now than having the baddest turbocharged V6 on this website!
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05-29-2007, 07:43 PM
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#914
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Niagara Falls, ON.
My Ride: '88 Plymouth Voyager
Engine: 3.0 V6
Induct: N/A
1/4: 0.000
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Originally Posted by Ondonti
I might have to be rethinking this project now. i just got back from a lasik surgery screening and my cornea are too thin for lasik. Means I basically have to give up my goals of working soon and replace that with the LSAT and lawschool 
Probably means I need to change some priorities and be prepared for being poor for the next 5 years.
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There's a method the Russians do which I don't know a whole lot about, saw a quick bit on TV about it years ago. It's a one day procedure, they have a skilled surgeon make a series of incisions around the eye and when they heal they pinch tighter together or something like that, pulling the lens into shape. Don't think anything is removed. Might involve a visit to Russia to get it done though. They had this hospital ship set up for it, they were offering it to Westerners around the baltic on the ship or something.
Ah this is probably it...
eMedicine - Myopia, Radial Keratotomy : Article by Mounir Bashour, MD, CM, PhD, FRCSC, FACS
Says something about having to know the corneal thickness in that to be able to work out the best depth or something, but might not mean it has the same limits on that as LASIK. Anyhoo, might be worth consulting with an Opthamologist that really knows his stuff and is familiar enough with it to know the go-to guys.
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05-29-2007, 08:54 PM
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#915
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Naturally Aspirated
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salt Lake & Seattle
My Ride: 92 Duster
Engine: 3.0
Induct: Turbo
1/4: 12.700
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Well I might be a PRK candidate but I have to wait 12-18 months to make sure my cornea's are not thinning.
I think a law degree can be very useful even if you dont practice law.
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