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acclaim200hp · 06-05-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by m90daytona

whats the question? do you want to put it on the intake manifold? go for it. cut out the shape on the top half of the intake manifold, have a fabricated aluminum plate welded on and bolt the s/c to it. install a new belt, cut out the hood and tell us how fast it is.

im trying to do a proper install here, not some hack it up make it work bullshit

if i put the s/c where the alt sits and move the alt were the ac compressor (just as you did on your daytona, sorry to see you let it go) will i need a custom belt made?

tkelly27 · 06-06-2007, 12:41 AM

Well, I've had more than 100,000 plans for my cars, so that doesn't automatically make someone dumb. Well, maybe you all might think I'm dumb, but my mommy sure doesn't

For someone that is allergic to wiring and tuning fuel injection, a carb might be a real nice way to go. They are easy to tune, especially when compared to current tunability status of the stock V6 ECU, cheap, and highly adaptable. Boosted or N/A it's been proven over time that they can make power. Maybe not quite as much as efi, but you don't need a laptop or an EE degree to tune them. Furthermore, if you go into a NAPA and say get me ____ for a Holley 650, they'll have it in stock.

I can see where Big_P might be coming from, but maybe if we treat the situation like adults we can all dole out good information and maybe help someone. If the individuals being helped refuse to listen, then flame away.

Acclaim, to be perfectly honest, a proper install would include an intercooler. While stuffing it onto a plenum and having it sticking out your hood might look cool, it's not going to give you the most bang for your buck. I love these charts so much!!
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/Tu.../M90deltaT.gif
If you find the thread where M90Daytona shows off his work, I would emulate that setup as much as possible. Actually, if you had the money, I'd go ahead and buy M90's car. Barring that, set the SC off to the side so you can have the SC outlet go into an intercooler. This is not where you should start worrying about things.

Where should you start? Fuel. Everyone should have complete mastery over their fuel system before attempting to add boost to an engine that was never designed to take it in the first place. Megasquirt, AFC, help us crack the V6 genome project, whatever it takes. You also might want to find some bigger injectors and plumb in a fuel pump that can handle the fuel delivery requirements. If you don't, you're gonna add boost, and it will be magical, and you'll need more and more, and all of a sudden your pistons are melted and babies will cry and... it's a bad scene man.

Then, you'll want to have an exhaust system. Not only can you tune it to make the most power now, you really want a high flowing exhaust on a forced induction engine.

Then you'll want to make sure everything is in tip top shape, head gaskets, pistons, etc. etc., then you'll go ahead and put on your supercharger.

turbomini · 06-06-2007, 02:27 AM

wow tkelly27 you type a lot!!! lol but good point

acclaim200hp · 06-06-2007, 09:36 AM

thank you tkelly27

tkelly27 · 06-06-2007, 10:52 AM

Why do you think my van only ran a 16.8? I'm busy with this all the time...

m90daytona · 06-06-2007, 12:10 PM

you can get any size belt you need at almost any local parts store.

ecs · 06-06-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by acclaim200hp

im trying to do a proper install here, not some hack it up make it work bullshit

if i put the s/c where the alt sits and move the alt were the ac compressor (just as you did on your daytona, sorry to see you let it go) will i need a custom belt made?

I can see where big_p was coming from. I've known about your ideas on the allpar forums and after a few times I've responded, I've given up hope. You were trying to stuff a 3.3 in a car that didn't even offer the option of a 3.3, let alone never came with the bellhousing of the 3.3's transmission. So you would need to swap the 3.3 AND the transmission and quite possibly the mounts. Then you would need to convert to a column shift and rig up the shift cable. Then you would need to come up with not only the engine wiring BUT ALSO the transmission wiring since the 604 is electronically controlled and I doubt that the 604 tcm from the 3.0 would work with the 604 from the 3.3.

You say you've been working on a full rebuild of the engine? I rebuilt a 3.3 in under 18 hours and this was working on and off for a full week and running into problems such as bolts breaking off, bolts that the manual never mentioned hiding in places such as behind pullies, and other random shit. The day I saw you saying that you were doing a rebuild was about a month or more ago, either you work incredibly slow or you're bluffing to us. I seriously doubt that you can pull off a 3.3 in your 3.0. Not even trying to be insulting but there aren't many people that could.

As for your quote above, how else are you going to make it work? Most of the custom setups I see on the internet with a blower have it that way. I've told you before and I will tell you again, do the research. I'm pretty sure you asked this same question over at allpar and you got some pretty damn good responses and I even think shelbydodgeimp gave you a page to harv's s/c setup. Doesn't get much better than that. He had some detailed descriptions and pictures to go along with it.

jmitch · 06-06-2007, 01:28 PM

considering the daytona shares the same basic architecture as the mini vans the possibilty of installing a 3.3 or 3.8 is very possible. the a604 electronics are the same for a 3.3 as they would be a 3.8 simply because the trans controllers for the newer 3.8 a604 are upgrades for older 3.0s a604s.
we all have some ideas as to how we want to build our cars. if we didn't they would all be identical. this is a great site an has helped me alot.

lookin · 06-06-2007, 02:04 PM

Gee it is too bad people dare not think out loud here anymore. If we all got penalized for changing plans, or having money problems that prevent us from following through, then this place would have a lot less traffic.

I think some people are being a bit mean about this.

ecs · 06-06-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jmitch

considering the daytona shares the same basic architecture as the mini vans the possibilty of installing a 3.3 or 3.8 is very possible. the a604 electronics are the same for a 3.3 as they would be a 3.8 simply because the trans controllers for the newer 3.8 a604 are upgrades for older 3.0s a604s.
we all have some ideas as to how we want to build our cars. if we didn't they would all be identical. this is a great site an has helped me alot.

I'm not quite sure the newer 3.8 604's are upgrades for the 3.0 604's... I've had peopel swap controllers over different years and they had a lot of problems. Ask valiant67 over at allpar.com, IIRC he tried it.

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Originally Posted by lookin

Gee it is too bad people dare not think out loud here anymore. If we all got penalized for changing plans, or having money problems that prevent us from following through, then this place would have a lot less traffic.

I think some people are being a bit mean about this.

Search for his posts over at allpar.com then you might have an idea of why some people from allpar that see his posts on here are a bit distressed. We've told him over and over about how worthless a 3.3 swap would be in the end and how to turbo/supercharge his car. He has received more than enough information there, yet I still see no evidence of him heeding our advice.

acclaim200hp · 06-06-2007, 05:32 PM

so its come down to me having to show proof , well here its is:

and yes i have received alot of help ,i thank everyone again . ive taken into consideration all the help and ideas from this site and others but the more i ask i seem to just be a bother. so i wont ask anymore i will go figure it out for myself since im not welcome to ask for opinions , help, and ideas from this elite group people (not everyone)

lookin · 06-06-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ecs

Search for his posts over at allpar.com then you might have an idea of why some people from allpar that see his posts on here are a bit distressed. We've told him over and over about how worthless a 3.3 swap would be in the end and how to turbo/supercharge his car. He has received more than enough information there, yet I still see no evidence of him heeding our advice.

Well, I do understand how you feel, but should you just write someone off for not taking your advice, or for having an idea you disagree with? Think about it. Most of the non 3.0 crowd think all of us are nuts.

lookin · 06-06-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by acclaim200hp

and yes i have received alot of help ,i thank everyone again . ive taken into consideration all the help and ideas from this site and others but the more i ask i seem to just be a bother. so i wont ask anymore i will go figure it out for myself since im not welcome to ask for opinions , help, and ideas from this elite group people (not everyone)

Now don't get all pissy.

Ignore the judges and get on with it.