Who sells 3.0 Magnacore kv-85 wires? part # 6514

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Originally Posted by Ondonti but does anyone know if that kit lookin posted is the proper one. Universal will not work for me cause I refuse to spend big bucks and then find the POS kit has 90 deg boots or some crap like that.

What are multi-angle spark plug end boots? They are straight boots, that can be bent up to a 45* angle, to suit your needs. That is, according to MSD tech, here in this post on the MSD Tech Support Forum.

[Ondonti]

115 degree boots is what our engines use.

bendable doesnt sound so great to me....?
Are the MSD users here not sure what they purchased?

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Originally Posted by Ondonti 115 degree boots is what our engines use. bendable doesnt sound so great to me....? Are the MSD users here not sure what they purchased?

Those "115 degree boots", are just straight boots, with a 115* hard sheath where the wire enters the boot.

I know exactly what I purchased, and they are the exact same thing I linked to, except they were for V8. They work great, for me, with no issues at all.

MSD multi-angle spark plug boots, can be bent, but they are not floppy or wimpy or anything. They just could be bent if you needed to bend them.

You wont need to bend them though.

The material used in MSD multi-angle boots, is more temperature resistant, than the harder more rigid materials used for plug boot ends, on cheaper plug wires. That is why I chose the MSD multi-angle boots.

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Originally Posted by roguetrip They really don't sell crap for the 3.0's other than maintenance items, which sucks, even my stealth is out in the cold for any good performance items! I'm there maybe 3 times a year and thats usually for the shows they hold. As for prices, not always that great, for the fidanza flywheel they want 380$ for it! I'm thinking of printing off a page from www.ultrarev.com for theres which is on sale for 303.xx$ and see if they can beat it!

True, sometimes their prices are a bit higher, but they are great for various doodads like ANSI fittings, hoses, vacuum lines, connectors, clamps. They also carry a wide selection of oil coolers, tranny coolers, gages, plug wires and billet fuel filters with replaceable elements etc. I would love to find a place, that has a catalog like Rock-Auto has, that carries absolutely everything for our engines.

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Here ya go Brent.

Magnecor 8.5mm KV85 Competition Ignition Cables

You would be better off with those MSD's I linked to though. I mean Magnercore's also have this drawback. Resistance: 72 ohm per cm, 2.2K ohm per ft. + 10%. Oooohh! MSD wires are much lower.

To each their own.

[irocelectric93]

Forward Motion ::Cough:: ::Cough::

[Ondonti]

I guess my problem with those resistance tests is that from what I have read from magnacore.


Testing with 1 volt DC.......the voltage goes through the low quality spiral wound wire that other companies uses. The wire is basically used in order to create low resistance path while pretending that they use spiral core interferance protection when they actually use a thick layer of EPDM (or whatever) insulation.

The Magnacores dont have ANY insulation. They only use high quality wire wrapped around the real wire in order to suppress interferance.

If the interferance was really so bad with 30,000 or 50,000 then........

and with 100 amp Top fuel Magnetos going...those wires would get fried. But dont think anyone has ever fried a set of magnacors. Connectors do get worn and materials degrade but thats life. The magnacors dont have carbon insulation to degrade and thats the big weakness in wires


I just dont see how testing resistance with 1 volt DC proves anything since ignition wires have so many internal components and different paths of least resistance.

And nobody uses a 1 volt ignition system.

Also, the arguments made by MSD and other ignore this. Everyone argues about resistance......but then companies like Aurora say "well our 400 ohm per foot is better then MSD 50 ohm per foot because our wires provide better supression and because low resistance on these tests doesnt tell the whole story" Which unfortunately for them, backs up magnacor's arguments.

[Ondonti]

Ultrarev's price seems pretty good.
If I buy Magnacors I will probably call Forward Motion as much as people hate. They actually have products in stock........unlike every single other dodge vendor. They got me my fuel pump when I needed it and everyone else was punking me.

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Originally Posted by Ondonti I guess my problem with those resistance tests is that from what I have read from magnacore. Testing with 1 volt DC.......the voltage goes through the low quality spiral wound wire that other companies uses. The wire is basically used in order to create low resistance path while pretending that they use spiral core interferance protection when they actually use a thick layer of EPDM (or whatever) insulation. The Magnacores dont have ANY insulation. They only use high quality wire wrapped around the real wire in order to suppress interferance. If the interferance was really so bad with 30,000 or 50,000 then........ and with 100 amp Top fuel Magnetos going...those wires would get fried. But dont think anyone has ever fried a set of magnacors. Connectors do get worn and materials degrade but thats life. The magnacors dont have carbon insulation to degrade and thats the big weakness in wires I just dont see how testing resistance with 1 volt DC proves anything since ignition wires have so many internal components and different paths of least resistance. And nobody uses a 1 volt ignition system.

Now JUST A MINUTE. Little teeny tiny people, like Stuart the mouse, have 1 volt ignition systems in their teeny tiny cars. For shame Brent. How could you be so insensitive?

Yes, but all the manufacturer's wire hype is bogus, according to My Di, and back when I was shopping around for wires, she broke out laughing when she read Nology's hype.

I was just trying to steer you away from having a bad experience like I had. My bad.

I tried MSD, after my bad experience with Magnecore's, because everybody swore that MSD wires hold up really well, and they are more widely used by race teams. Glad I did too.

PS

Race teams don't necessarily use their sponsors products. They use what they believe will help them win. Well, that's according to sponsored racers I have talked to, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ondonti Everyone argues about resistance......but then companies like Aurora say "well our 400 ohm per foot is better then MSD 50 ohm per foot because our wires provide better supression and because low resistance on these tests doesnt tell the whole story" Which unfortunately for them, backs up magnacor's arguments.

OK ... I just asked Di, and she said, she has never gotten any EM interference on the van's ham radio. I have never heard any ignition crackle on the car radio, and I have never had any computer issues. So I think MSD's are OK in that area.

So apparently, Aurora also uses advertising hype, just like all the rest of them do. Aurora's may be great wires. I never tried them myself. I would try those before buying Magnecore's again though.

Maybe you will have better luck with Magnecore's, than I did, and I hope you do.

[Ondonti]

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Originally Posted by lookin OK ... I just asked Di, and she said, she has never gotten any EM interference on the van's ham radio. I have never heard any ignition crackle on the car radio, and I have never had any computer issues. So I think MSD's are OK in that area. So apparently, Aurora also uses advertising hype, just like all the rest of them do. Aurora's may be great wires. I never tried them myself. I would try those before buying Magnecore's again though. Maybe you will have better luck with Magnecore's, than I did, and I hope you do.

I never said MSD had problems with that....but Aurora makes a claim like that and they claim that low resistance isnt all that matters...but all that does is back up magnecore...Aurora seems to not be sure what is true...either no resistance or a well designed spiral wire.
Their tech article made me choose not to buy them because it basically told me that Magnecors were better based on Aurora's view on wires. Their article says that the resistance that people measure isnt actually representative of the entire wire, it is representative of the low resistance crappy spiral wired used by wire manufacturers...and which magnecor claims people use to show fake low resistance (and claim that the special coatings they put on the poor quality spirals are meant to further fake the low resistance but this all wears off as the cables age).

When you put a tiny 1 volt DC current through the MSD wire, it travels along the small wire wrapped around their conductor...which is supposedly only there to fake low resistance. You are NOT measuring their conductor. Now because of this I really dont believe any resistance results and all that matters to me is someone proving the wires actually hurt spark at the plug.
if Magnacores had so much resistance to huge amperages...they would burn up. They NEVER do. That tells me these resistance measurements are totally worthless.

Basically, if the wires can stand up to Top fuel engines (which apparently MSD and Magnecor can) then choose the one that fits and you dont have problems with falling apart.

Magnecor doesnt sponsor any race teams so anyone using them does so by choice. MSD heavily sponsors people. I also doubt the wires they provide to those teams are similar to anything available on the market. Magnacore just makes "race wires" like the kv-85s and now they recently make some smaller ones.

Turbovanman and a few others have stated that in their mechanic jobs, MSD wires always fall apart. We have two people here who had their Magnecor wires fall apart, but Lookin is the only one who didnt modify her wires. Taking apart your magnacors and having them fall apart.........doesnt really count in my book.

I once had stock wires pull apart and that is why I bought magnecors. Ever since pulling those stockers apart, I learned to grab the boot and squeeze while pulling perfectly backwards from the spark plug...rather then grab the boot or wire and yank on it. If you dont pull boots straight off, they can come apart but that is because of negligence. Pulling slightly sideways will NEVER get the wire to come off until it breaks.

My magnecor complaint would be that after removing them about 1,000 times, they probably need new connectors.

[Ondonti]

Reaper lists 8mm magnacor wires for the daytona...which are totally different then 8.5mm Kv-85 wires.

The 8mm wires are cheaper and are similar to normal wires. Different internal conductor and construction. They are like factory replacement wires.

[irocelectric93]

Forward motion used to have the magnecors listed in their catalog but no longer do. Id call em and find out to see if they are they have em and are the 8.5s. I ordered mine a few months back....actually it was probably farther back then i remember...like 7 or 8 months ago. Forward motion has ALWAYS given me good service.

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Where do I have 8mm Magnecor's posted at? That is 100% NOT TRUE!! I am running, and have always run since I first got them, the KV-85 8.5mm Magnecor wires(when I had them..both on my '90 V6 car and my '89 LeBaron).

Charlotte(Rick's old car) also has the KV-85's on it.

I NEVER modded my Magnecor wires! EVER. I stated that Magnecor uses the same terminals as the Jacob's wires do. I found this out becuase I had the SAME issue with the Jacob's wires as the Magnecor's(this was on my '89 LeBaron)....the terminals pull off!(yes, even using dielectric). I had two terminals pull off on the '90 car...#4 and #6...right in front...had the fan out of the way for easier access too. I'm not saying those are bad terminals either...they are actually pretty good. The thing is the wire jackets rip when stress is put on them while taking the wires off the plugs.

[Ondonti]

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Originally Posted by roguetrip Ignition system Spark Plugs: Denso or NGK? Spark Plug Wires: Magnecore 8MM wires Coil Pack: MSD HVC Distributer Cap: Stock HD unit Rotor: Stock HD unit

Sorry you didnt say it, and there was some disinformation in that thread because 8mm are totally different then the kv-85 wires and the pictures sure look like kv85 wires.


I never had any damage to my wires except the connectors being worn because of excessive removal (honestly 1000+ times).