Alternatives to custom cals for the 3L V6

[c2xejk]

Since the prospect for custom cals is pretty low, I thought it is about time to start discussing the piggyback and interceptor boxes and other methods...

For the purposes of this discussion I am defining them this way:
-Piggyback: boxes that do not require you to cut the wiring harness, but can only add fuel and retard spark.
-Interceptor: boxes that require cutting the wiring harness, but can reduce/increase fuel and advance/retard spark.
-Auxillary injectors controllers: (AIC) boxes that control one or more extra injectors. (some of the Piggyback and Interceptor boxes have AIC functionality.)

Some of the information that I am looking for:
-List of the boxes/options
-Compatibility of the boxes with our stock sensors/injectors.
-Unique features (ie. one Piggyback has a RPM cutoff raising feature.)
-Unique ways to use standard features (ie. using an output to control the fuel pump speed.)
-Who is selling the boxes at a good price.
-How well they work with turbo and non-turbo applications.
-List of books and links that accurately talk about these. (not necessarily Mopar specific.)
-How-to examples (especially 3L specific) of how to install and tune a box.

What I would like to avoid in this thread:
-Talk about stand-alone units. That is a topic that could easily fill _many_ threads.
-Talk about custom cals that is not relavent to Piggyback, Interceptor, AIC and similar boxes. There is already a thread out there for custom cals.

Right now I am about 1 month away from needing one to test on a normally aspirated setup and 3-4 months from testing one on a turbo setup.

[irocelectric93]

What about Greddy's Emanage?

[c2xejk]

This page has some info. Greddy Emanage
GReddy e-Manage Engine Management System - Import Tuner Magazine

(Note, I have not read everything on these pages.)

It is a piggyback. One site I read seemed to imply you needed one of the program screens (pricey!), if you can do it via a laptop (I already have one), this could be a good starting point (particularly the blue units...)

[kermit]

Why not megasquirt?

[irocelectric93]

Megasquirt is standalone. This thread is for those who dont want to have to build a new wiring harness and tune etc. Here were looking at keeping stock computer and harness and just using an outside source to help control fuel when boost conditions come.

[kermit]

Oh...ok. The title was just alternatives to custom cals, so it was just an idea. Personally there isn't really a lot of wiring to these cars, so to me rewiring isn't a major concern, and I would like the all around driveability and performance gains of the stand alone. Just my $.02.

[mopar3.0]

check out 14Point7

i got my wide band form them and they were working on a poggy back that had a load of options and was under 200 dollars i think

[Ondonti]

superchips works for our ignition timing....I think thats what James Dempsey used.

[c2xejk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopar3.0 check out 14Point7 i got my wide band form them and they were working on a poggy back that had a load of options and was under 200 dollars i think

Are you talking about their UAFC? Not sure how they are adding fuel. Are they pulsing an auxiliary fuel injector?

I also notice that they don't seem to have a TPS input. (or is this what the 0-5v external input for?) Looks like some potential.

I am definitely interested in there wide-band setup.

[c2xejk]

A potential group buy on the SMT6/7

Perfect power group buy (SMT-6, SMT-7, ect) - Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site

Here is some info on the SMT6
Perfect Power - SMT6 Smart Tuner 6 Piggy Back System

[mopar3.0]

i have the wide band but havent installed it yet

mega squirt isent that much wirring,,,,,

[jory]

How about something that just controls fuel through the RPMs by creating the right air/fuel ratio? That could also raise the RPM limit right?

[c2xejk]

First, this thread is NOT about stand-alone ECMs. If you want to discuss them, go start a separate thread. There is plenty to discuss about them. If you are not interested in discussing piggyback/interceptor boxes, don't post.

Second, the reason for a piggyback system is I can use the stock cals which are correct 90+% of the time and augment them for the few areas needed. Yes you can get a stand-alone running, but I intend for this to be on a daily driver. So I want the calibrations very good, the system reliable, and the gauges working with minimal effort.

Third, I believe the FT60 interceptor box (and possibly others) has a RPM cutoff raiser mode.

Fourth, the more I look at the Greddy e-Manage the more I like it. The fuel is piggyback and the ignition is interceptor. I have started putting together a spreadsheet of the options that I will post soon for additions and corrections.

So far I have (in no particular order):
-Greddy e-Manage (and e-Manage Ultimate)
-Perfect Power (SMT6, SMT7, TF10, FT60)
-HKS (AFR Type D, AIC, PFC F-CON)
-Vishnu Xede
-14point7 UAFC

Keep the options coming.

[mopar3.0]

im not sure what 14.7 had before it was a few months back and i thought it it used the tps signal but i cant find any of it on the site now, il do more searching

[mopar3.0]

here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RICE
probley too good to be true for 200 .

built in wide band and electronic boost control
and everthng else you want

but i guess it never got released