anyone heard of SQUIRES TURBO SYSTEMS??

[Daytona_Shopper]

I chose the F-body rearmount solely due to not having enough room under the hood plus wanting to keep my AC and PS. My latest turbo project is a BMW with a Gen 3 GM V8, and I was able to mount the turbo up front off the passenger head. As has been mentioned above, room is probaly not a problem with a V6 Daytona, so you would be better off with a front mount unit.

[bansheenut420]

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Originally Posted by Daytona_Shopper I never realized there were so many reading challenged people on this board. I was trying to answer the original post with some information I had, which happened to be another car I owned. I didn't realize this was a bashing thread, so as with many things in life, every action has an equal but opposite reaction. As for the air dyno numbers quoted, re-read my post. My car dynoed 500 rwhp and 580 rwtq. For those in Salt Lake & Seattle, Newfoundland, and Here, that means rear wheel power with the car on a dyno as it is actually operated with all accessories. Also, my system is not an STS, it is a home made rearmount. Let's see you put two (or even one) turbos/turbo in a 4th gen F-body engine bay and keep the AC and not have to butcher the radiator support! Here in FL even with a Be Cool radiator this car still runs hot in the summer w/o the AC on. These are not flywheel numbers or air dyno numbers. This was the initial setup tune. With fine tuning undoubtedly it would be more. All the 425 and 500 numbers you all are throwing out are flywheel ratings, usually w/o any accessories. Back on track, if someone here has experience directly with STS, that is your best source of info on them. The vendors I was dealing with when I built the F-body a few years ago always took time to answer my questions and seemed decent to me. As with any company, what was true then may not be the case now.

I was talking about whp. Whats the bother talking about chp? Give me some time, I will find you dyno sheets, not of my car. But they will be in this mythical Wheel HP you speak of. I dont know anyone, besides car makers, that talk in crank hp. lol
And its not so much I think sts is a crap company. They must be a good company for getting their product out there. I just think its a stupid design. Turbos like heat. That Tacoma that we were talking about couldnt make more than 4psi. lol It was sad seeing a n/a 3.0 grandmas car whoop it. Ok, so not really sad, more funny. In my opinion, and everyone has there own. Its not a bash. If your going to put a turbo on a car, do it right. And putting it at the other end of the car is not the right way, in my opinion. I think it makes the spool slower, and you said it yourself the power falls off after 4500. Thats like usable powerband there. So, you have boost for what like a whole 1500 rpm?
See my example below.....

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Originally Posted by ZachT i dont exactly like the system, but you have to admit it a pretty sneaky setup. cant see much difference under the hood or nothing. i knew a guy with a sts kit on his car, he said it really moves @ 6psi, but its an LS1, so i dont know what it added. i have a popular hot rodding magazine, this guy had a SLEEPER. not sts, but his own kit he made, i think he had an 400+ci ford in an old fairlane or something, but 2 huge turbos under the axle, he even had dog dish hubcaps. RAN 9's!!!!! idk if i ever got an fbody again, or if i got a mustang, you'd know the kit im getting..... HP Performance, Mustang Turbo Kits, Mustang Twin Turbo Kits, Corvette Turbo Kits, Corvette Twin Turbo Kits, C5 Turbo Kits, Z06 Turbo Kits, C6 Turbo Kits, C4 Turbo Kits, Acura NSX Turbo Kits, Grand Am Turbo Kits, Camaro Turbo Kits, Firebird Turbo Kits that website makes me want to get a FOX BODY!!!!! then again the omni glh is fun

Now THAT is a real kit. My buddy is getting one for his mach. Do it right, and the numbers look so much better!


And that is a slick install. and 780 WHEEL Hp out of a 04 cobra, running 16 psi. Only 2 psi more out of a good kit, and how much more power? And on pump gas to boot.

Or, for the whole fit argument....

And look at that, 780HP to the wheels on 13 psi.

My replys were never bashes, just my .02 that if your going to spend money, do it right.

[ZachT]

yeah, no doubt, if you gonna get a kit, get a KIT. the hp performance guys have it down to a science, hell you can get a kit for around 5000 bucks, comes with injectors, fuel pump, necessary hardware, everything.

im not an advertiser, but if i was going to turbo a LS1, LT1, 4.6 or 5.0. thats the way to go.

and if you look around on that site, doesnt look as tho they ran out of room under the hood.

i hear people bitch all the time about working on LT1's and LS1's. then buy an old monte carlo or something. i used to own an LT1 TA, fun car, and yes a pain to work on, theres only as much room as you make.

[Daytona_Shopper]

Thanks for the info regarding the other installs. Sorry for the bashing impression, but that was what I was gleaning from the prior replies. I replied to offer info and it seems like every other post had something bad to say about my setup. I agree the rear mount is not ideal for max power, but it was right for what I use it for and I'm happy with it.

On the Mustang, I see the whole front end is off, how much work (cutting & modifying) is involved here and what does it look like when it is together? I know these cars are less costly and easier to add a front mount to vs. the GM F-car. I used a Fox body turbo header as the template for my LSx single turbo install on the BMW (the port spacing is nearly identical to the LSx heads), and easily modified their crossover pipe to work with my motor. The hot pipe setups for these are far less costly than the ones for the GMs for some reason. Here are a couple of pics of the test fit of my Garrett turbo to the BMW:




The LSx motors seem to respond much better to forced induction than the prior models. In the Will Handzell book about High Performance mods to the LSx motors, a place called Wheel to Wheel made a huge amount of (flywheel) power (like 600 HP) on a 4.8L truck motor at only 8 PSI. The only mods were 42# injectors and increased fuel pressure.

The GM car depicted has an LSx motor in it. Looks like a good install in that I see an AC accumulator and PS reservoir. Looks like a decent amount of inner fender area cutting to put the turbo where it is. Minimal cutting for the upper radiator deflector and relocation of the battery. I checked the sourced website & see while they make a twin turbo setup for the LTx kit for the Impala, they do not offer anything for the LTx F-body.

As far as spending the money, with the turbo, pipes, wastegate, FMIC, EBC, etc. I probably have (had) around $2K in it, paid for as I could afford it. Those kits start @ $5K, more than I can afford in a lump sum.

I love the 4th gen F-body styling and performance, but find it funny that the same engine and transmission fits into a 20 year older Datsun 280Z much better than the car it was "designed" for:
1995 Trans Am:


1975 280Z w/ original motor from above TA:

[Ondonti]

The problem here is thedopeman's understanding of what is wrong.

STS doesnt do a bad job......the thing they're trying to do just doesnt work very well. No matter how hard they try, it will always work poorly. Its the fact that they sell incredibly expensive rearmount turbo setups that dont work well and rip people off.

Their TT corvette setup was ditched by the test car owner because it was garbage. It raced plenty of the domestic people here and it was just a freakin joke! of a car.



You wont save money rear mounting a turbo in a 3.0.
If you think its expensive to build your own turbo manifold..that is your mistake.

The expensive part of turbocharging is fuel control and purchasing parts that you cant build yourself. Things that you need no matter where you put the turbo.
If someone cant understand that then there is no point talking about the problems with rear mounting a turbo.

3.0's all have huge engine bays, even P bodies. Rear mounted turbos are meant for easy install and with a little thinking, you can almost always find a way to fit a turbo in a better location. And you wont save a penny rear mounting.

[th3dop3man]

wow can u READ!!! my question was about the setup of rear mount turbo and was using STS as an example of a system.. and this is a 3.0 V6 forum not a V8 forum!! if u said somthing like that in the first place we would not have had all that BS said!! i just wanted to know if a system like that would be alright to install on the V6!! what u just told me there made sense!! and there are obvious things that u have to modify but not destroy!! but ya i do agree with u it is a waste of performance!! if it is not tuned right!! but ya if u elaborated on all the other things u would have to do to properly turbo a V6 instead of dissing STS all of us would be bit more thankful for the little knowledge and insight u speak of!! and most ppl dont have a mig or tig welder just layin around so ur unstanding is wrong too !! so that being said both ways are complicated and one's own preference to do somthing that no one has done before !!

[Ondonti]

A simple search in the 3.0 section would find 3.0 turbo answers. Ed Kelly will build you a manifold and probably downpipe that fit in the engine bay without moving much of any thing.

Simplest way is fitting the turbo over the transmission like the 20+ other cars have tried and like Carol Shelby did for the 3.0 prototype turbo.

[RaineMan]

STS... great company... makes some awesome and very innovative products... you may get more turbo lag b/c of the location of the turbo itself... but with charge piping that long you won't have to run an intercooler...

I would definately go for it...

[bansheenut420]

and if you dont have to run an intercooler, imagine how much cooler and much less efficient the exhaust gasses are. Rear mounts are a waste of time, sts or not.

[87turbodance]

You should mount one of those tail pipe whistles while you're at it - it will at least sound like the turbo is spooling then.

[RaineMan]

Have any of you guys even seen a STS turbo car?

I've watched a number of them perform... strip and street... and they run wonderfully.

[bansheenut420]

lol Yes. The company is 40 min from my house, and even closer to ondonti's. There are a few of them running around. Not to mention the sts tacoma that Ondonti raced in his N/A grandma car, and slaughtered.... So, yeah, we have seen a couple.

[th3dop3man]

well some interesting points for sure!! well i guess just making the V6 turbo, sounds like a project that only ppl with alot of time and money on their hands to do anything with it!! so i will probably rip the 2.2L T1 out of my 88 Daytona CS !! i know i will have to change the computer and alot of other stuff but it will still be easier and i wont have to buy an engine and turbo and intake and exhaust etc... UNLESS i can find a 91+ T1 or T3 but i live in canada so that makes those engines RARE!! As well as my 92 daytona !!

[bansheenut420]

I understand the t3 motor, but what is rare about the t1 in canada?

[Ondonti]

You can frugally turbocharge your 3.0 but it takes research and work. You wont save money rear mounting since the only difference is turbo location. The expensive stuff are the supporting modifications etc.