Any 84 Cars!!

[2slodaytona]

i have a 84 daytona and its not working with me i put a new head gasket on it and it didnt seathow i dont know?? i poured coolant in it and i heard it pissing out the back . i felt it and saw it comming from the bottom of the head.. i have anew head gasket and im going to install it also the cam seals i had one blow out the side when i started it for asec it ran like crap and oil was puking whats the best way to tap these in and also if cam caps are to tight does that cause a problem?? on the cam seal would a good sealglide grease work?

[TurboTurismo]

Yup new gasket..... Did you get he head pressure checked and surfaced?.. In my opinion with anything 23 yrs old you should replace the Head Bolts.. Did you use a torque wrench and follow chilton or haynes manual on Torque values?.. cam end seals only seal one way as the cam spins...kinda like a slinger , they have slanted lines grooved into them to flow the oil back towards the cam towers.. check those... anyone else pipe in here?..

Robb
>> My ride http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2291434

[2slodaytona]

yeah i tourqe specd them its a 85 block with the 84 head on it i had some problems with the 85 head my cam was lopin. i had the head checked it was macined i belive when they built the 84 motor when i first bought the car. long story short a buddie had the car spun a main bering so he had it rebuilt i bought then i installed it had a 3rd cylinder rod knock .. pulled the motor bought a junk yard 85 blobk checked berings everything speced out and threw the 85 head on ran great pulled hard and ive been having some head issues so i changed heads and put a new gasket on because before it started to devlope a white smoke.. so i checked everything out and i think the head gasket was a problem i took the head off and the head ggasket looked fine... i was thinking its was the head so i swaped back to the 84 head and it spit the cam seal and the gasket wont set i did all the steps to tourqing too on 85 specs being a 85 block. should i just run it fix my timing? and see if it seats? i dont have an inch punds wrech so i figure good en tight the german spec should be good. if the cam is too tight will that be a problem?

[allmotor]

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Originally Posted by 2slodaytona i have a 84 daytona and its not working with me i put a new head gasket on it and it didnt seathow i dont know?? i poured coolant in it and i heard it pissing out the back . i felt it and saw it comming from the bottom of the head.. i have anew head gasket and im going to install it also the cam seals i had one blow out the side when i started it for asec it ran like crap and oil was puking whats the best way to tap these in and also if cam caps are to tight does that cause a problem?? on the cam seal would a good sealglide grease work?

it didn't seal because you installed incorrectly, have a cracked head, have a damaged block, forgot to install all the bolts for the intake and exhaust manifold. got something pinched between the head and gasket or block and gasket. seen that on from a guy that got the ground strap inbetween the gasket and head and it sure leaked. or haven't a clue what you are doing.

cam caps are suppose to be tight (there is a torque spec that you MUST use)

seal is EZ to replace without tearing down the engine, just remove the cam sprocket pop out the old one and pop in the new one. just make sure you put it in the right direction. just lube up the cam with engine oil when putting on the new seal. do NOT put any kind of sealer on the outside of the seal.

is may run like crap if you didn't properly time the cam/crank and distributor

[2slodaytona]

well i just taped in new cam seals and it is still leaking and i know what im doing its just im stressed and not thinking properly..so thus being said so i should just go ahead and lift the head up put a new gasket in and see if it seats..the block isnt cracked nor is the head not "true" so the surface could be diry and i have al the bolts in for the intake and exaust not an anmature here.

[allmotor]

you communicate like an amature. you are showing amature status and I listed ALL the possible causes for a NEW head gasket to have a coolant leak. so since you completely denounced every option that could cause YOUR problem, figure it out yourself.

if its still leaking, there are only 2 possiblities. you screwed up the installation, or the cam cap is not properly installed and sealed

[2slodaytona]

hhmmm well i havent pulled the head off yet mr allmotor so their for i couldnt give you a reason as to why the head gasket did not seat properly.. when i pull it up ill tell you what i find and give you an opinion of mine as to why i think it didnt seat untill then thank you for your valued information and the help thanks.

[allmotor]

if the head and block surfaces were clean and you torqued the head bolts to 45 ft lbs then 55 ft lbs then 1/4 turn it is IMPOSSIBLE for the gasket not to seat properly!!!!!!!

but then you state you are no amature, so we can all assume you did the assembly 100% correct. the only other thing that can cause all your problems is gremlins. because you insist that you did everything correctly. therefore, if everything is done correctly, then the only explanation is mysterious external forces.

[fuzz's84Daytona]

2slodaytona, just sit back and take a look at everything and you'll probably find the problem. Sometimes it just the little things that might have been overlooked.

As far as getting any information here, well it's a hit or miss thing because nobody here can see what the problem is and they sometimes offer an "obvious answer" that makes themselves feel better.

Fuzz

[TurboTurismo]

I was just trying to help the guy out..

Robb
My Ride>> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2291434

[allmotor]

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Originally Posted by Robb I was just trying to help the guy out.. Robb My Ride>> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2291434

me too but it's obvious that we know less than him. that's why I never had this problem

[TurboTurismo]

Hey I am far from knowing all myself .. seems our younger members may not like us older guys.. to me the obvious is the rule.. a real tech dives in 2 handed and finds the issue at hand and usually finds more issues..sometimes shit happens even with the right knowledge and experience.. lol, on our enduro race car team we butt heads alot BUT the older guys who have been doing this for years before TD's came out are almost always on cue with the correct repairs vs blowing stacks of cash on a guess .... kinda hard to fix stuff over the internet tho.... Just my opinion guys...

Robb
My Ride>>> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2291434

[DaytonaTurboZ]

I believe the cam caps are like 20-25 ft-lbs not much at all. And put some red loctite on the outer side of the cam seal to keep it from popping out in the future... If you heard coolant pissing out the back as you filled it there is something really wrong there. Sure its not coming from the coolant lines to the turbo??

[2slodaytona]

its not comming from the lines i felt and saw that my starter was wet so i dunno what is wrong in the morning ill get it figured out

[allmotor]

Last offer of personal experience. I've seen this leak occur from exhaust manifold studs missing, loose or stripped.