Upper end tap

[turbokid]

Alright last night I had my car pretty loaded down ( prolly around 600 extra pounds with 2 guy over 200 in the car). And at the end of the night I had a the starting of an upper end tap.
So this morning I started it up and the tap was almost constant past 2,500 rpm
Well since I had recently bought a cheap aftermarket HEP I switched HEP's with a mopar one and filled her up today with 55 dollars (ya that SUCKS) with 91 octane.
Its still the same. Its definitely upper end and the head prolly has less than 10,000 miles on a GOOD rebuild. It has never done this before.
Any advice would be helpful
I haven't pulled the valve cover yet to see if a lifter is coming loose.
Let me know what yall think
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[ol"blue]

I'd pull the VC & check the rockers & followers, also pull the plugs & see what they look like.

[allmotor]

u prolly f-d ur car up and u need to get another car outta ur jy. instead of wasting our time trying to solve ur prob, u dont u pull the vc and then ask.... golly it aint that hard to try solving ur own probs before wanting everyone to hold your hand and solve them 4u.

[turbokid]

^when I pull the valve cover I dont know what I am looking for. I am asking for advice not someone to solve my problems
Wheres your advice? If you call that advice you might as well not post at all

[ol"blue]

With VC off, check the followers & lifters of each cyl. for play with that respective cyl at TDC on comp. stroke ( valve's closed). Should be zero play.

[Sittn86]

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Originally Posted by turbokid you might as well not post at all

I've been thinking that for a long time now....

[ol"blue]

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Originally Posted by sittn86 I've been thinking that for a long time now....

??What?? You guy's ganging up on me again???

[allmotor]

naw they want to stir my hornets nest, the more incompenet the retards on here, the more they cry like little babies when u tell them to try and figure some $hit out for themselves. never could understand why they dont wanna put forth any effort what so ever to fix the prob. seems the 1st thing is to get someone else to do all the work so they dont really have to think for themselves. kinda like a little kid dont get their way so they throw a temper tantrum so mommy and daddy give in. all that teaches the brat is the more bitchy they get the always get their way. just like on this board.

wouldnt it have been nice if the dude said " my car started making a noise, i pulled my vc and had a look at the followers, but i aint sure what to look for" sounds a lot better than what u see in the first post. "my cars making noise, u guys solve my probs cuz i'm to lazy or stupid to try and solve my own probs"

[turbokid]

^ do you have anything better to do?
Anyways I pulled the valve cover like I SAID I WOULD!
And I have play in 3 or four of the lifters (wouldn't have known that was a bad thing if I hadn't made the post).
Anyways, what should I do from here? Where do I go about fixing the problem?
How do I fix the play in the lifters?

Allmotor I have no idea why you posted that? It wasn't helpful to me in anyway.
you complain about this shit all the time if someone cared they woulda already done something about it. I am sorry if my wording made you feel as if I was being a lazy ass SOB and not wanting to solve my own problems.
My parents put a roof over my head and I am greatful but they don't wait on me hand and foot and I dont whine to them about what I want cause it's fruitless.
I do all the work on my own cars and I can put a head on a car but I dont know how to rebuild the head itself. I am still learning. Again I am sorry for my wording and next time I will try not to screw up my wording and make it more forward so you can't cry and whine about it

[jforce]

sounds like you may have starved it of oil a little.I have done this.The dipsticks become inaccurate over time(parts swaps,etc, some were wrong since new)and then we mod our cars,the g forces increase in the pan,maybe we lose more oil due to increased boost (blowby).One of my cars,a csx,the stick reads perfect,but if you drive the car hard,the oil light flashes.Solution? another 3/4 or so quart of oil. Problem solved. Oil pressure gauges are mandatory in other apps,but most td guys don't run one.Prolly cuz the factory didn't.I doubt you did any damage,maybe change the suspect lifters cuz you are there,change the oil,and see if you need to run more to keep it from starving again

[crusty shadow]

while kind of an asshole-ish response allmotor does kinda have a point. asking a whole bunch of questions without opening the hood to investigate where the problem may lie is kinda lazy. not ripping on turbokid either. but you DO have to open the hood and take an ear to the engine while its running, find the location of the noise and open her up and take a look inside to see if anything is blatantly out of order- broken rocker, wiped out cam journal etc. if you dont know what youre looking for thats fine, open it up anyway and take a look, break out some deductive reasoning- eg put your ear on the valve cover, at least isolate where the noise is coming from, then go inside and take a look. if you dont see anything that looks amiss to you then get on here and post-"engine has a ticking noise, its coming from the center area of the valve cover, took the cover off , everything seems to look ok, but im not sure how to check this"
a person i used to consider my best friend would piss me off frequently because he was asking me a bunch of stupid questions about his sundance. "how do i set the timing?" "i dont know why dont you look it up in that repair manual for the car that you have sitting next to you on the shelf instead of bothering me with that?" i even showed him these forums, where he could look up way more info, yet he still insisted on just calling me to ask very simple questions that could have been easily answered by looking in his repair manual or searching around on here, without annoying/pissing me off in the process.
was a guy who posted in help a month ago, had a vibration problem when going down the road. everybody kept telling him to rotate his tires and see if the vibration in the steering wheel went away. instead of doing that and at least eliminating or narrowing down some possible causes, he was constantly posting for a week over what the causes could be. do i check this, could it be this etc- everybody kept trying to politely tell him it could be several things and he should start by jacking the car up and rotating tires, and check a couple other things under there. turned out to be a bad tire, which he woulda found out in 20 minutes instead of waiting over a week asking question after question without doing anything to actually try and solve the problem.

your brain is just like any muscle in your body, the more you use it the stronger it gets!
like i said im not rippin on you TK but if somthings wrong, get in there and try and figure it out! youd be amazed at the feeling you get when you figure somthing out without any help. prolly better than sex IMHO

[turbokid]

How do I change the suspect lifter? They have a bit of side to side play. I went back and checked and I have 6 lifters with play. I will forsure drop another 3/4's of a quart in it and see if that helps. Like I said its only in the upper Rpm's. Idling its perfectly fine!
Here are some pics of the head and spark plug I pulled if yall see anything else wrong!

[turbokid]

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Originally Posted by crusty shadow while kind of an asshole-ish response allmotor does kinda have a point. asking a whole bunch of questions without opening the hood to investigate where the problem may lie is kinda lazy. not ripping on turbokid either. but you DO have to open the hood and take an ear to the engine while its running, find the location of the noise and open her up and take a look inside to see if anything is blatantly out of order- broken rocker, wiped out cam journal etc. if you dont know what youre looking for thats fine, open it up anyway and take a look, break out some deductive reasoning- eg put your ear on the valve cover, at least isolate where the noise is coming from, then go inside and take a look. if you dont see anything that looks amiss to you then get on here and post-"engine has a ticking noise, its coming from the center area of the valve cover, took the cover off , everything seems to look ok, but im not sure how to check this" a person i used to consider my best friend would piss me off frequently because he was asking me a bunch of stupid questions about his sundance. "how do i set the timing?" "i dont know why dont you look it up in that repair manual for the car that you have sitting next to you on the shelf instead of bothering me with that?" i even showed him these forums, where he could look up way more info, yet he still insisted on just calling me to ask very simple questions that could have been easily answered by looking in his repair manual or searching around on here, without annoying/pissing me off in the process. was a guy who posted in help a month ago, had a vibration problem when going down the road. everybody kept telling him to rotate his tires and see if the vibration in the steering wheel went away. instead of doing that and at least eliminating or narrowing down some possible causes, he was constantly posting for a week over what the causes could be. do i check this, could it be this etc- everybody kept trying to politely tell him it could be several things and he should start by jacking the car up and rotating tires, and check a couple other things under there. turned out to be a bad tire, which he woulda found out in 20 minutes instead of waiting over a week asking question after question without doing anything to actually try and solve the problem. your brain is just like any muscle in your body, the more you use it the stronger it gets! like i said im not rippin on you TK but if somthings wrong, get in there and try and figure it out! youd be amazed at the feeling you get when you figure somthing out without any help. prolly better than sex IMHO

Thanks for the post.
I knew it was from the head as I had sat in the drive for about 5 minutes reving the motor and finding the source. I was on my way to pull the VC and I thought while I was out it wouldn't hurt to get some feedback
I know this is usually a very normal problem.
It has less than 10,000 on a rebuild and since it was only in the upper rpm's and not at idle or under hard load below 2,500 rpm, I figured it was something loose
Now looking at the lifters, can you tighten them down?
What keeps them from getting loose?

[ol"blue]

That cam shows a lot of scuffing for a roller-cam. I see the roller-rockers, but did you mix a slider cam with roller-rockers ? A slider cam isn't hard enough to use w/roller-rockers, and will wear rapidly.

[turbokid]

not sure. I didn't originally do the work.
we got the car (originally my moms) I was 12 at the time. So it went to a buddy of mines place (he owns tons of td's) and he did all the work.