89 dodge shadow no brakes spongy pedel

[boostedhatch]

replaced right front hose because it busted and bleed brakes.Brakes are off 89 baron gtc(like that when I bought it)now brakes are spongy feeling and I don't know what to do

[Ender]

Sounds like you still have some air in the lines. Did you bleed all the lines? Bleed LR then RF then RR then LF.

[boostedhatch]

wouldn't it get hard if there was bunch or air in the lines

[NAJ]

No it would not, the pedal will be spongy.
You can compress air but you cannot compress a liquid.
If you let the master cylinder run dry you will have to start by bleeding the master cylinder.

[boostedhatch]

dam that sucks how do you bleed the master cylinder?

[NAJ]

You need a helper to depress the brake pedal.
Fill the master clyinder and have your helper hold pressure on the pedal and you loosen the brake lines at the master clyinder(start with the line closest to the firewall) until fluid squirts out, close the line and then move to the other line.Do not release the brake pedal until you have tightened the lines or you will draw air back into the system.
After the lines are closed have your helper release the pedal and then hold pressure again and repeat the bleeding process until you get a steady stream of fluid.
Keep an eye on the fluid level, do not let the master cylinder run dry.
After the master cylinder is bled then bleed the wheels as stated in the previous post.
Chrysler does not recommend "pumping" the brake pedal, this causes airation of the fluid and makes bleeding more difficult.Just hold pressure on the pedal, open the bleeder until there is a stream of fluid, close the bleeder, release the pedal and repeat until all air is removed.

[boostedhatch]

Sweet thanks

[Ender]

are they fine now?

[boostedhatch]

No I try ed everything I know and I can't build any pressure at all and there's no leak's pump and pump all day and don't use any fluid at all.I took the lines off the m/c and there's plenty of pressure I don't know

[Ender]

What's "plenty of pressure"? You have to bleed the brakes in the right order. There is air in the system somewhere.
I'm assuming that you replaced the pads and shoes.

[NAJ]

Here are the bleeding procedures straight from Alldata.
If you have no air in the master cylinder and no air in the lines but cannot pressure at the wheels or get a pedal the master cylinder is damaged internally and must be replaced.

1989 Dodge Shadow L4-153 2.5L SOHC Turbo

Bleeding Sequence
Wheel Bleeding Sequence RR,LR,RF,LF

1989 Dodge Shadow L4-153 2.5L SOHC Turbo
Vehicle Level Brakes and Traction Control Hydraulic System Brake Master Cylinder Service and Repair Master Cylinder Bleeding Manual Bleeding

Manual Bleeding
Ensure master cylinder reservoir is full. Add suitable brake fluid as needed, and securely reinstall the master cylinder cap.
Position a drain pan under the master cylinder.
Have an assistant depress the brake pedal with a slow even pressure and hold it. Do not depress brake pedal fully to the end of the master cylinder stroke. This may cause damage to the master cylinder.
Loosen the brake lines, or bleeder valves if equipped, at the master cylinder. Watch for air bubbles in the fluid and listen for air escaping from the system. While bleeding the system, recheck brake fluid supply in the master cylinder often so as not to allow the master cylinder to run dry.
With brake pedal still depressed, tighten the brake lines or bleeder valves.
Bleed the master cylinder until all air is removed. Upon completion of bleeding, proceed as follows:
Ensure the master cylinder reservoir is full. Add suitable brake fluid as needed, and securely reinstall the master cylinder cap.
Ensure brake pedal is firm, and braking operation is proper.

1989 Dodge Shadow L4-153 2.5L SOHC Turbo
Vehicle Level Brakes and Traction Control Hydraulic System Brake Bleeding Service and Repair Base Brake System Bleeding

Base Brake System Bleeding

On models with power brakes, if bleeding the hydraulic system without the engine running, first reduce vacuum in the power unit to zero by pumping the brake pedal several times with the engine off.


Ensure master cylinder reservoir is full. Add suitable brake fluid as needed, and securely reinstall the master cylinder cap.
Raise and support vehicle.
Position a drain pan under the wheel being bled. Refer to Brakes and Traction Control/Brakes/Specifications/Mechanical for proper wheel bleeding sequence.
Have an assistant depress the brake pedal with a slow even pressure and hold it. Do not depress brake pedal fully to the end of the master cylinder stroke. This may cause damage to the master cylinder.
Using a suitable wrench, open the bleeder valve one full turn. Watch for air bubbles in the fluid, and listen for air escaping from the system.
With the brake pedal still depressed, close the bleeder valve.
Have the assistant pump the brake pedal several times. Do not depress brake pedal fully to the end of the master cylinder stroke, this may cause damage to the master cylinder.
Repeat steps 4 through 7 following the wheel bleeding sequence specified in SPECIFICATIONS/MECHANICAL SPECIFICATIONS/HYDRAULIC BRAKE SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS. Ensure all air is removed from the hydraulic system. While bleeding the system, recheck brake fluid supply in the master cylinder often so as not to allow the master cylinder to run dry.
Upon completion of hydraulic system bleeding proceed as follows:
Ensure the master cylinder reservoir is full. Add suitable brake fluid as needed, and securely reinstall the master cylinder cap.
Lower the vehicle. Ensure brake pedal is firm and braking operation is proper.