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Old 04-09-2013, 07:47 PM   #46
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Thank you for the suggestion Steve. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a factory alarm.. or I would be running out there and scavenging the battery from my wife's caravan to try it...lol
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I had no idea mine had one either. Hell, I never did find it or even look for it, but I remember the hood pin sensor. Does your have the hood pin sensor on the drivers fender in between the battery and shock tower (blue arrow)
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:11 PM   #48
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If it's the factory alarm, unlocking the driver's door with the key will disarm it. If it has one.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:22 PM   #49
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I have no clue what the black plug on the fender well was for. Never noticed it before...
Interesting....
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:23 PM   #50
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That is the next step one the battery charges tomorrow..lol
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:52 PM   #51
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heck with it... I took the battery from my wife's GC. I tried what you said... and nothing. I dont think there is a factory alarm...
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:24 PM   #52
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Could cranking the engine with the asd grounded damage the sbec?
every test I have done, according to the flow charts, says replace the controller...
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:08 PM   #53
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Nope, I've driven around in a van that had a bad ASD driver transistor, the ASD was jumpered, and it ran fine. This is much like the toggle switch to the fan relay that a lot of people do to get manual control over their radiator fan.
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Just to recap and verify...
While cranking the engine there is no power to the + coil, DG/BK wire at the injector harness and fuel pump...
Is this correct?
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:17 AM   #55
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Incorrect. I have power to coil +, and coil - will flash the test light for 3 to 4 sparks then it shuts off.
Power to the pump.. same issue.
hall sensor getting a reading (5.1v when the pickup lines up, 0v when it isnt).
ASD can be felt clicking on and staying on until the key shuts off.
I printed out ran the NS tests, and every one (except for checking the fuel injector harness) pointed to changing the SBEC.
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Old 04-12-2013, 05:40 AM   #56
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Verify....
1)You are not losing any power feeds at the ASD relay.
2)The power output at the ASD is shutting down during cranking.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:43 AM   #57
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At ASD...
RD/WT 12.6v
DG/BK no power key on. Initial cranking 12.6v then drop to 0 (decline over 1/2 second, not sudden 0).
DB Constant 12.3v
DB/YL 12.3v then to 0v -.1v (fluctuating) while cranking. When cranking stops and key returns to run, goes back to 12.3v.

Can you please post NS7? I went over my notes and saw I have not run that one yet.
All the rest (except fuel injector harness which I have not run) show to change the SBEC. Just wanted to clarify since the prior post read as if that test showed something besides changing the SBEC, but I had not been able to run it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:42 AM   #58
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Just went and ordered a stage 2 from Cindy. So the car is down another week and or so.... at least it will be up and running happy.
I figured... if every test I have done says change SBEC, it has to be that.
Just wondering how it died...
This went from a clogged fuel filter to this mess. I wonder if I popped the computer when I was testing stuff...
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:03 PM   #59
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I hope that the controller is your issue since you bought one but...

At this point you verified that both power feeds(RD/WT and DB) are still present at the ASD Relay when power output stops which leads to one of 2 problems...
1)You are losing the ASD Relay ground control which is the DB/YL wire and computer controlled.
2)You are losing the crank signal to the controller.

If you had a scanner you could easily tell(less than 1 minute) if the crank signal is the issue.
Go to Data Stream, look at RPM and crank the engine, if the RPM reading drops to 0 the controller is not seeing a crank signal.

Before condemning a controller you need to check 2 things.
1)All controller power feeds and grounds are present.
2)There are no "pushed out/spread/broken internally/corroded" terminals in the controller connector related to the affected circuits.







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Old 04-12-2013, 11:33 PM   #60
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By crank signal, do you mean the HAL sensor? If so, the signal is present at the connector and the wire shows omhs within range ( can't remember now but it was within test range when I did it).
If the asd is grounded and the car still doesn't start, can that eliminate the asd ground control as a culprit?
I will be doing the tests in the morning. But as for ordering the controller, I had planned on doing it anyway by the summer so it's fine.
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