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Old 06-12-2005, 09:01 PM   #1
Chrysler 3.0 Timing problems. Help please!  
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Moderators, I ask that you please not move this thread. I need to get to work tomorrow and this is my only vehicle.



So, I got the cam timing down. That's cake.

The ONLY reference to crankshaft timing is the notch on the crankshaft pulley.

I took the pulley off, but the harmonic balancer is in the way of the crank sprocket! To take it off, I must remove the crank bolt.

what a pain in the @$$!

I feel bad for anyone that has to deal with this.
Is there any way that I can use the timing notch to line up the crank?

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Old 06-12-2005, 10:35 PM   #2
 
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Use the timing tab for reference. On the old stuff I have done this, but keep in mind that if it uses the harmonic balancer the ring most probably has slipped some and wont be dead on. Guesstimate at this point, IE if the keyway is almost straight up, it probably goes straight up to be dead on.
Now I don't know about the 3.0 where the marks are (harmonic or flywheel, etc..) but you probably see what I am getting at.
If you really need the car to run it might be a bit of good insurance to just pull that crank bolt, otherwise you could be tearing it all down again because you guessed wrong.
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OK. I used another reference point on the harmonic balancer (small round hole, in between two serpentine pulley bolts) as the "timing mark". it runs now, but very badly. Could this be the correct "timing mark" even though it's not on the sprocket itself?

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The only safe way is to use either that dot on the sprocket or the timing tab (where you point the light at) using the 0 mark of course.
Cant tell you if that hole can be used as a reference or not, but I would have to guess no on that one.
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Old 06-12-2005, 10:57 PM   #5
 
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I Can't see the keyway in there, unfortunately.
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Old 06-12-2005, 11:00 PM   #6
 
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I tried lining the timing notch (in the pulley) to the timing notch for the crank sprocket. It did not run at all.
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where are your timing marks? Flywheel (like a TD) or on the balancer (like a V8).
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Old 06-12-2005, 11:05 PM   #8
 
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Can you see the picture I posted on the top of the thread? If not I could send it to you.

The timing mark for the crank is on the crank sprocket.

Pulley>harmonic balancer>sprocket>crankshaft. That's how it goes in order.

The only thing I can do is get the pulley off. To get off the harmonic balancer, I'd need to take off the crank bolt, which is literally impossible.
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No No No, not the dot on the crank sprocket. I am talking about the tab that you point your timing light at, there is a zero mark on that.
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I've done a timing belt on my daytona iroc, but I never had a harmonic balancer there. That balancer maynot be needed. So I never had a problem timing the motor.

I've used an electric impact gun to remove the crank sprocket. I had a steering wheel puller, but the crank sprocket came off by hand.

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Old 06-13-2005, 08:13 AM   #11
 
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No No No, not the dot on the crank sprocket. I am talking about the tab that you point your timing light at, there is a zero mark on that.
Yes, but there's a big metal "plate" that it bolts to (part of the passenger motor mount) that one must remove before they can access the timing belt. That can't be it.
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:44 AM   #12
 
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HAH! GOT IT! F YOU MITSUBISHI!

There was a tiny, tiny notch in the flywheel sprocket closest to the engine! I didn't see it because it was dark out and my drop-light cast a shadow on it.
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Old 06-14-2005, 11:23 AM   #13
 
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So I take it you finally got it back together then?
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Old 06-14-2005, 01:18 PM   #14
 
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Yep! runs great. 15* timing it runs like a bat out of hell
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