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post #1 of 19 Old 07-31-2008, 05:19 PM Thread Starter
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Timing marks Help needed

I can't find the timing marks on the camshaft sprocket. And the haynes manual was of no help.

The car's a 1987 lebaron 2.2 turbo 1 if that helps any.
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

It's not like the other two sprockets. You have to look at the picture from the FSM that was posted here many times. Wish I could post those from my end, but... oh well you know!
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i don't even know what fsm is. and i can't find the info. I've been searching
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

FSM=Factory Service Manual
On the cam sprocket there's 4 holes arranged around the center hole. Above one of these there's a small hole. Put that small hole at the top. The holes at the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions have small "pointers" at the bottom of them pointing "outward". Those pointers align with the parting line of cam tower attaching caps when viewed from end of sprocket. Align marks on crank & intermediate shaft and that's it. Wish I could post this picture from my "FSM".
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

Yeah i actually managed to find it. And i've concluded it's got to be the ignition coil.

The cam lines up perfectly. The motor's at top dead center. Yet it won't fire.
I unplugged the coil and may have messed it up, as it doesn't seem to be plugging back in right. Maybe that's it. I'm just dumbfounded.
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

They did make the timing diagram a sticky because I was posting it every week so here it is again.
Also checking the coil is easy. Connect a test light to - batt and + coil, crank engine and light should be on steady, if not check ASD and Hep circuit.
If power is good at + coil move to - coil and crank, light should blink on and off, if it lights and does not blink check the coil - circuit from the controller, no light replace the coil, if it blinks and there is no power output at the coil secondary replace the coil.
Be sure the coil wire is not open or has excessive resistance 4-6K per foot.
To test for spark hold the coil wire 1/4" from ground and crank engine for 10 seconds, spark should be strong and consistant, count 1-2 sparks as no spark.


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Re: Timing marks Help needed

Thanks. i couldn't find that diagram for some reason. I'm going by the little timing mark on the flywheel. I'm gonna reset the timing one last time. Facing the engine, the cylinder farthest to the left is number one, correct?
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

Yes cylinder #1 is closest to the belt. Bring # 1 to TDC and be sure the mark on the flywheel is at 0. The slot in the cam sprocket should be at 12 o'clock with the centerline of the cylinder head, the head is on an angle so the mark will not be straight up and down. Be sure the dist rotor is pointing towards #1 cylinder on the distributor cap(that would be back left on the cap facing the engine).
Firing order is 1-3-4-2 clockwise.
There are marks(dots) on the crank and auxillary shaft that should be aligned, if all 3 marks are aligned properly(see diagram) then the belt timing is correct. If they are not realign the marks, install the belt and tension properly and rotate the crankshaft 2 revolutions by hand and recheck alignment and belt tension, repeat until marks and tension are correct.

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Re: Timing marks Help needed

it's dead on. and i used a digital camera to make sure i looked at it at a perfect angle. I just found out that there's 4 different lines on the crank. I think the one with the dot is correct. I lined it up to that one. And now it sounds really close to starting. Before it didn't even sound like it was trying to fire. I'm sure it's really flooded. I'm gonna try it in an hour or two.
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Remove the plugs, if they are fuel fouled you will have to clen them, a fuel fouled plug will never fire.
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

Also, a good way to see the marks on the cam sprocket easier is to use a mirrow. You can get a mirror at a 45 degree angle and see through the sprocket from up above. It takes away some of the guess work. Gets a little confusing if you're off a cog as to which way to move the belt, but it's not rocket science.
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Re: Timing marks Help needed

what i've been doing is using a digital camera and putting it directly by the camshaft holes so it's perfect, and i just look at the lcd display. Alot of people are telling me that the distributer is off or something, so what i'm to do is to put the #1 piston at tdc, and line up the camshaft. See where the rotor's pointing, plug the #1 wire there, and rearrange accordingly, and it should fire.
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