Race header/photos

[russ jerome]

Warren you realy need help!!!!!

I change screensavers weekly, I see that header on
my computer for months...maybe years ahead! Just
perfect as usual.

[rek4201]

ill take one too. that mani is sick. just bogglesm y mind. i cant really be inmpressed becaUSE I DONT know you but im impresed. goooood gooooood gooooood sh!!t

[GLHandGTS]

I'm sorry, but do I hear the TD community saying that they'll... gasp... spend mucho dollars on ONE part!?!? I'm so confused!!! Sorry for the sarcasm, but from what I've seen most of the time when people form the TD world say they'll take one- it means if the conditions are right and it costs less than it does to build.

For the people that might not realize this that keep saying, "I'll buy one!"... you do alll realize that a header of this quality should easily cost $1000 + right? I just wanted to make sure people realize this that are saying they'll buy one when as last I knew Warren wasn't in the market for making them and selling as it was a pain.

Much smaller (cost of material) Full Race (which is a company, not a phrase) equal length tubular headers for the popular import cars go for $1100-$1400.

I guess we'll have to wait and hear from him though.

Aaron Miller

[2.2=8]

Sorry guys but IF I build any more the price would have to be in the $1500 dollar range. Now before you start thinking thats outrageous consider the price of materials. 304L stainless cost about $385, I used 4 bandsaw blades @ $22 each, 3 bottles argon@ $38 ea., $45 worth of sanding belts and discs, 1/2 " steel plate, stainless bolts and nuts, and ect, ect, you get the picture.

And that was the easy part, I don't know how many hours I have in it and I'm still not done. I still have to design and build the support hangers.

And yes I spent considerable time researching/designing a header that would make power not just look pretty. Everything I learned steered me to the 4-2-1 design, as they exibit the highest gas velocity and maintain the most heat energy (especially with stainless).

I have a local guy with a Stutska engine dyno, He called me and asked me some TD related question as he was in the process of fitting a 2.2 to his engine dyno! So that got my attention and if we get time I'm going to put my mill on his dyno and test the header and do some tuning.

Thanks for the kudoos..........Warren

[89daytonaTII]

I love it!, but of course who wouldn't. Best car on TD.com just keeps getting better.

[whistlin']

That looks like real nice workmanship.
Aren't you worried about a lot of energy being lost before it gets to the turbo? That seems like a long path for the exhaust gasses to go.

[turbovanman]

Wow Warren, I am flabbergasted, lol!

I have to agree with Aaron, hell, SMP made one and it got bashed and it was only $600, then others come out with Log headers for $300 and every turtles.

$1500 sounds about right, thats what I would have guessed at,

[Frank]

Damn dude, looks freak'n sweet. Is that last collector finished, or just sitting there to look completed? Just curious.

Bravo!!!!

[DirectConnection]

Quote:

Originally Posted by whistlin' That looks like real nice workmanship. Aren't you worried about a lot of energy being lost before it gets to the turbo? That seems like a long path for the exhaust gasses to go.

I agreee. but this type of header design (long primaries) works well for Stephane and many other sin the sport compact world. I am guessing the very good tuning overshadows the heat/energy losses of the long tubes.

Stephane does make 1,000 hp, so.....

[2.2=8]

Nope, S steel tranfers heat less than almost any other metal. almost equal to titainium or Inconel. You can take a six in. piece of ss pipe, hold it in your bare hand and heat the opposite end till it is glowing red and the end you are holding just barely gets warm. The problem is that it "moves" around with thermal cycling.

[glhsken]

Will it fit on an "L" body is the question!!

[Frank]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2.2=8 Nope, S steel tranfers heat less than almost any other metal. almost equal to titainium or Inconel. You can take a six in. piece of ss pipe, hold it in your bare hand and heat the opposite end till it is glowing red and the end you are holding just barely gets warm. The problem is that it "moves" around with thermal cycling.

Exactly! In addition, the performance gains from the high velocity and big radius bends will outway any temperature loss you may experience.


Frank

[Frank]

Quote:

Originally Posted by glhsken Will it fit on an "L" body is the question!!

Sledgehammer and anything will fit.

[turbovanman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by glhsken Will it fit on an "L" body is the question!!

Hahhhahaa, I hear the gears turning.


Will you be running power steering? does't look like it will clear the pump.

[2.2=8]

I don't know, somone would have to make a couple of measurments for me. Yes P/S could be used but you would have to fabricate pump mounts, no big deal.