Turbo support brackets and down pipe pics

[2.2=8]

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Now get out to SDAC and kick some 16V butt!

If all goes to plan, I'm hoping to open a can of eight valve whoop ass on the Neon boys

[2.2=8]

And Stephane will give them a dose of "Frenchy" power

[tkelly27]

I think its safe to say that the turbo support bracket is nicer than anything I've got in or on my car. Just sweet looking, can't wait to see how much it helps out your car.

[itoktoeatfish]

I dont want to alarm you, but your turbo is upside down

[GLHNSLHT2]

Now that's how an intake should be! Everyone notice the individual Throttle plates?? Nice work Oh do I wish you'd make 1 or 2 of those for sale

[puppet]

Absolutely beautiful work Warren. Pretty cool what you came up with for support. Like to steal that idea for a replacement bobble strut ...and you say you've got room to spare? Sick.
That fourth snapshot is jaw dropping.

[aquack]

sweet!!

[Shadow]

Holy mother of all mods! I thought what we were doing was crazy, that baby is sick to the 9's!

[2.2=8]

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Originally Posted by Shadow Holy mother of all mods! I thought what we were doing was crazy, that baby is sick to the 9's!

Come on, Show us what you are doing. What car is yours? Is it the one I think it is? Daytona?

[Shadow]

No secrets here, I just haven't figured out how to post pics yet. We are stuffing a 2.4 SRT4 P/T into a Shelby Charger and looking for 600+whp. The project is parts limited( I thought I had most of the hard parts a few months ago) and is realisticly going to take till next spring to complete. So plan B was implimented about a month ago (since we still want to run a 10 before the end of the season around here(Sept.) I took an 88 T2 shortblock that I had with forged pistons + a shit load of other parts that were kicking around and we whipped together an 8v that I'm hoping will do the job. I'm a little concerned about it not being a common block but so far so good.

[The Pope]

I don't under stand why you made an incredible NA intake for your turbo car. But some of your mods over time have been odd. When it comes to the cleanest, highest quality fab work I haven't seen anything on here look better. Your metal cuts, the welds, the custom brackets, the machine work. Your stuff is pretty enough that I would feel guilty getting it dirty on the car. But I suppose with this work your car has never leaked anything either lol. Lord you make us all feel like dirty gease monkeys.........

[2.2=8]

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Originally Posted by The Pope I don't under stand why you made an incredible NA intake for your turbo car. But some of your mods over time have been odd.

I actually got the idea for the "NA" intake manifold from studying Formula 1 engines from their turbo era. The ones I remember were V stacks inside a plenum with individual throttles...What I was really hoping to gain was instant throttle response and even cyl. to cyl. air flow which I gained on both counts. (see photos below)

Please list my "odd" mods ..............There is usually method to my madness. Just not always appearent at first glance. Odd as they are I have NEVER (knocks on wood) broke my engine, not even a blown head gasket or piston with over 250 runs at high boost running 12s, 11s, and 10s.

And finally, Thanks for your kind compliment on the fab work Rob. Warren

[The Pope]

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Originally Posted by 2.2=8 I actually got the idea for the "NA" intake manifold from studying Formula 1 engines from their turbo era. The ones I remember were V stacks inside a plenum with individual throttles...What I was really hoping to gain was instant throttle response and even cyl. to cyl. air flow which I gained on both counts. (see photos below) Please list my "odd" mods ..............There is usually method to my madness. Just not always appearent at first glance. Odd as they are I have NEVER (knocks on wood) broke my engine, not even a blown head gasket or piston with over 250 runs at high boost running 12s, 11s, and 10s. And finally, Thanks for your kind compliment on the fab work Rob. Warren

Your move to those throttle bodys is not bad. But a huge reason to use them is to have great throttle response and boost response with a super short runner for great top end when the boost hits. But you left the runners really long. Even the lower piece is twice as long as it should be for a race engine. Look at a Viper MP intake to name one, the GTSR intake. Now add your TBs to a 4" runner and make the plenum alittle bigger and watch your tach at the track. So I think it is odd knowing what those are used for and you have them on a really long runner. Your also a fab king and didn't just make a real intake. I also remember your using the later larger TB with a custom modded 2 piece and an over the top IC all in suck through form. Suck through is safe at low boost, at high boost and flow to lose a hose or crack the plenum and your in trouble. I have never seen such a nice suck through and it was cool how you used a late TB to make it work on the compressor. But it seemed "odd" that you did it. One big reason our 8v engines run at such low RPM power bands has to do with the intakes. It is a simple matter FI tuning. Then I see some one with your skill and talent and you stop half way with the intake. Take one step back and look at intakes on most race turbo cars and even race NAs. On the Viper they have runners that are less than half as long and 1/3 more area in diameter than stock. Individual TBs make the intake have great throttle response. But when open they allow for a much high HP level, RPM level and volume level than stock. The best top end race intakes on turbo 4s have super short runners and huge plenums, that is what works, this is what people make. You have the skills needed to make a race intake AND keep throttle response making it a true street intake as well. So I suppose I say "odd" when your driving me nuts with your love of long intake runners LMAO.

[Andre Parker]

Pope, have you seen Warren's car run yet?? I got to last year at SDAC. He has hands down in my opinion the most sorted out and attention to small details I have ever seen on a TD car. I'm a machinist myself and have utter respect for what he has done with his car. I hear what your saying on the intake, I mill intakes myself, but his combo works good for him.

[The Pope]

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Originally Posted by Andre' Parker Pope, have you seen Warren's car run yet?? I got to last year at SDAC. He has hands down in my opinion the most sorted out and attention to small details I have ever seen on a TD car. I'm a machinist myself and have utter respect for what he has done with his car. I hear what your saying on the intake, I mill intakes myself, but his combo works good for him.

I've seen videos of his car run, that isn't the point. In the end little details count though when your getting closer to the limit. With tuning people even go fast using all stock stuff like Gus did. Then there are people that don't run stock stuff like SMP and go really fast. With a turbo on a race car an engine setup for racing should rev more than a simple street NA engine. TD people are used to the idea that turbo engines just don't rev, which isn't true. I have built many NAs that love and need over 6,500 RPM shifts with stock heads. The 2 piece has runners that over twice as long as a NA intake, and thats just the lower half. So I am not saying he is slow, or that he doesn't know what he's doing, or even insulting him in any way. But imagine how his intake would work had he used a side draft Weber intake instead. So he is tuning a race engine to run at low RPM with really long intake runners. The rest of us without the time or the fab skills have to live with engines that want to run out of breath at 5,000 RPM. Warren doesn't. I barely have time to ever go in my shop anymore, it looks totally trashed as I use every second I can get to work on my cars rather than clean the shop. Torque is nice, so is throttle response. But I am here to tell you that a taller RPM range is REALLY nice on the race track. I don't need to know Warren personally to know bye his work he is looking for that little bit at a time where he is with the car. So if I am giving him alittle crap it is constructive, not insulting.