whats better?

[shellboy]

what makes more sense? to make more power, nitrous or meth injection? both systems are about the same price. I just wanna get the most bang for the buck..tell me what ya think...

[speeduphoria]

nitrous obviously, but you need to use race gas with it so it adds to the cost

if you just want to run more boost w/ lower octane gas then Methanol

methanol is not a power adder, as higher octane gas makes less power w/o more compression and timing

[shellboy]

i see. im trying to learn about this meth stuff. thats the first response that makes sense to me..

[The Pope]

Angelo on here used to have a GLH that ran 14s without Nitrous and 11.7 with Nitrous. It was a log T1 car to boot. There is no way a meth kit could ever compete. Both suck as both require you to fill a bottle. Building an engine for pump gas on the street and you have the power all the time, so for a street car both setups suck. But for a race car just go with nitrous, I believe Angelo removed the IC and saw no power loss with Nitrous. He is the man to ask, I don't think anyone has as much time with it on a TD than him.

Bug him for info ATaylorRacing

[bansheenut420]

Like was said above. Meth isnt really a power adder. Check out the forums on DevilsOwn alcohol water injection- methanol They have lots of good info over there. Plus, they make bad ass meth kits. I love mine.

[ATaylorRacing]

My old GLH Turbo ran 14 flat with no NOS and 11.8 at 118 with 150 hp shot.
I replaced the intercooler with a piece of exhaust pipe when I blew the side of it out with a nitrous sneeze (too low rpm usage) and the car slowed to a 15 flat with the same boost as before. The slightly rich NOS shot of 150 hp then m,ade the car in the 12.0 range! The cooling effect of being a bit rich on the bottle...being safe and not melting stuff.

I put 125 hp NOS on my 98 SOHC Neon and it ran 12.11 at 117 compared to high 14s.
I put 100 hp NOS on my 99 Miata MX5 and it ran 12.65 at 109 compared to 15.5s.
I am going to put a 85 hp shot on our Scion Xb and it should run 14.2s compared to the 16.8s it does now.

My set up is a twin fogger deal and can go from 25 hp up to a motor killing 300. I never had any car that had strong enough internals for that.....but a guy that races here at INDY put a simular 300 hp shot on his BUILT 383ci/350 hp 3000 lb Chevy Monza that had run 12 flat, kind of slow for a tubbed out car that is (was) street driven...the results were several passes in under 10 seconds.

JMatt on the SRT forums has a dailey driver SRT8 with a 275 hp 3 stage nitrous set up and has broken into the high 10s with his huge chunk of good looking metal!!!

[1984Rampage]

How much NOS can a stock engine take?

[kermit]

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Originally Posted by 1984Rampage How much NOS can a stock engine take?

AS MUCH AS YOU WANT!!!

I think the question you are looking for is how long...

[The Pope]

there is a trick to running with boost because the Nitrous is fighting turbo pressure.

Except for the 86 and newer T1 cars with a 2.2 and light weight rods the TDs are very capable of running nitrous. Most lack Angelo's balls with how much though LMAO. But they can take a bunch. I think a popular unit is the big single fogger nozzle. Like with the 85 GLH, the log intake cars are restricted. Nitrous deals with this a ton because you don't need as much engine flow, little bit of boost and a big Nitrous hit.

I thought you sold the GLH Angelo?

[ATaylorRacing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pope there is a trick to running with boost because the Nitrous is fighting turbo pressure. Except for the 86 and newer T1 cars with a 2.2 and light weight rods the TDs are very capable of running nitrous. Most lack Angelo's balls with how much though LMAO. But they can take a bunch. I think a popular unit is the big single fogger nozzle. Like with the 85 GLH, the log intake cars are restricted. Nitrous deals with this a ton because you don't need as much engine flow, little bit of boost and a big Nitrous hit. I thought you sold the GLH Angelo?

Sold the GLH after a divorce...dang it. Sold the S60 90 Shadow that I had Kish build too. I was turboless forever until I got the 05 SRT4, but that SOHC Neon did not need a turbo to run 12.11 at 117, just NOS. Since I can't afford NOS refills now I am going to stage 2 and some other mods to get the SRT into the 12s.

[ATaylorRacing]

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Originally Posted by 1984Rampage How much NOS can a stock engine take?

I was thinking that a long time ago the amount of hp our motors could take was the question, regardless of NOS or boost.....some high hp cars were hasving big destruction troubles at 300+ hp with stock internals with large rpm and it was an arguement on did the cranks break 1st or the blocks...I think Cliff Sebring said at a certain point the block would flex and then the crank would break. I never had that problem since I always short shifted when I used NOS. I blew up a rod on old Four Play, no nitrous ever, because I thought I was shifting at 6200 when in reality my AUTOGAUGE tach was reading under by around 1100 rpm!!!

Always buy AUTOMETER!

[The Pope]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATaylorRacing Sold the GLH after a divorce...dang it. Sold the S60 90 Shadow that I had Kish build too. I was turboless forever until I got the 05 SRT4, but that SOHC Neon did not need a turbo to run 12.11 at 117, just NOS. Since I can't afford NOS refills now I am going to stage 2 and some other mods to get the SRT into the 12s.

The stage 2 is not the answer to 12s, if 12s if high 12s are what you want. The stage 2 kills power running your engine too rich.

I have an old thread in the 2.4 section on the 2 I got running 12.7s. Both run big FMICs, a big item and short tires. Running a 10:1 AF and drowning the engine with fuel is how many stage 2 cars go slower than stage 1 cars.

My brothers car with slicks and a stock computer and boost control ran 12.7 @ 110 MPH, 1.89 60ft. 22 x 8 x 15" slicks