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Old 06-25-2005, 09:13 PM   #1
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OK, I promised some folks on a thread that I would give some pics of my install and some pointers on how I think it could have gone better. sorry if the files are large, but this is not really my thing.

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This is a view of the piping. Much grinding was done to the rad support inorder to find the best way for me to get it in there Therefore, there is not a lot of rad support left in my car, but it functions just the same.

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Here is a good shot of it from the front. Note the filter stuck directly behind the rad. It BARELY fit in there. It is actually sitting on a 45* bend which tilted it just so that the hood will close without contacting it. The HKS BOV is not in the ideal position. It is welded to 2" pipe because I picked the setup for cheap off of ebay. Also not ideal. I will state what will become a re-occuring theme of the fact that if there was a TII rad out of an 89 tona in the car, the project would have been much easier. The filter would have been able to go right to the front and the piping would have been able to go from the turbo to the pass side.

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~bwc...motive/ic3.JPG
This pic shows how the IC sits directly behind the front bumper. Once again not ideal, but it is the only place I could put it securely without having to relocate the battery. Note the bracket which is holding it up. It was made from flattened angle iron with holed predrilled in it that I picked up from home depot. There is also some 2 1/4in. ID hose that had been slipped over the bracket to protect the IC from rubbing, and hold it more securely.

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~bwc...motive/ic4.JPG
Here is a shot of the angle iron that I bolted to the front of the rad support area, which serves as a shelf for the IC to sit on.

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~bwc...motive/ic4.JPG
An under side view of the IC and bracketry. Note that there is not a bracket on the drivers side of the car as there is about a 1/4 in of clearance between the IC and bumper on that side. However the stock brackets on the IC were cround to fit around the bumper post on that side, and the bumper post bolts are holding that side in place.

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~bwc...motive/ic6.JPG
View of the driver side tubing from the turbo to the IC. I had to remove the cruise to get it in there.

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~bwc...motive/ic7.JPG
This pic shows how closely the pass side pipe is to the alt bracket. NOTE: I put the IC in with the first sections of pipe already attached which worked out great until I blew off the hose at the IC right here. I had to pull off the alt. and bracket to get the hose back on. I ground down the braket quite a bit to make room for the pipe to be installed with the front of the car on, and it has made all the difference, although I have only blown that pipe off once more. Save yourself the 2+ hours and grind the bracket while you have the car apart the first time.

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~bwc...motive/ic8.JPG
Pic of the front of the car with the cooler installed. Also a pic of every thing that had to be removed about 100 times for the install. Bumper cover, bumper, drivers side bumper support, rad, grill, headlights, and other odds and ends where removed for this project. Very stealthy, but not as effiecient as it could be. There is enough room under there to make a duct that would route air to the IC.


Based on the fact that I believe I can wedge the cooler between the headlights with some grinding here is what could be done differntly to make a world of difference.

1. dont be lazy and move the battery to the pass side where the capor canister used to be. This would allow the drivers side IC inlet to have a way to the TB.

2. Run a rad out of an 89 TII tona which would have allowed me to move the IC over several inches there by clearing the battery in the sock location. Air would come out of the turbo across the car, and in over the alternator.
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Old 06-25-2005, 09:35 PM   #2
 
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I have been waiting for this! Thanks so much cordes. Would it be possible to mount it lower using these same methods or would a lot be in the way of the outlets?
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after seeing that im glad i have more room in the lebaron..lol..nice job though....
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How did it work out behind the bumper like that? Did it stay cool enough etc? I had to do basically the same thing on my Acclaim, but I haven't installed the engine yet.

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ok how much less room does a shadow have over an 85 shelby charger looking at installing one. need to figure out pipe diameters and bends and lengths needed.
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i just notived that you mounted the intercooler the opposite way as i am planing on, with the straight outlet on the drivers side, and the oval outlet by the alternator....was this because of space issues or did you not really consider the other way. i only ask becauese im planning on mounting it the other way, with the oval outlet angled up under the radiatior overflow bottle and to the throttle body.....i thought it would be easier getting the cold side up to the tb from there, and that way i could run the hot side behind the rad....from the looks of it though, in a shadow you probably couldnt stick the straight outlet through because it would hit the alternator....
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OK, I will try to answer the questions the best I can.

1. You could mont it lower, as I have seen it done. There was a guy who angles his down to where it rested in the bumper cover and it looked like he trimmed away the fog light holes so that it could get far enough in there to allow the inlet/outlet to clear every thing. I felt that this was not quite secure as I would like it to be, so I decided to go this route, and have less chance of my IC getting mushed if I hit a big pot hole, or went to fast up a steep driveway.

2. It must work pretty well, because in messing around with fuel pressure, I have run 20PSI on pump gas with a FM enforecer II turbo.

3. I think that it would be much easier to mount it in a charger than the shadow due to the larger nose. I actually saw some pictures of one when doing a search last week. It fit right behind the front bumper as I remember. Looked like it would be much more effecient than my setup.

4. yes, the straigth outlet would have hit the alternator. When I get around to mounting it up higher right behind the grill, it will be mounted as you described.
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with all the work and loss of rad support material it seems that the Cummins I/C fits much better and easier. Two 3" holes and some aluminum strap for bracketry and you're done. Just slide it up to the bottom of the grill and all the way back against the support bracket for the latch and mount it.
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oooo spooky this is pretty much the same way my brother installed his srt 4 cooler in his shadow. only difference is his rides lower, so that way you can see it from the bottom grill and he kept his cruise control and A/C......it was one TIGHT fit!
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with all the work and loss of rad support material it seems that the Cummins I/C fits much better and easier. Two 3" holes and some aluminum strap for bracketry and you're done. Just slide it up to the bottom of the grill and all the way back against the support bracket for the latch and mount it.

I was thinking the same thing through most of my installation. I was trying in vane to use the T1 rad and still get the cooler behind the grill, which is the reason for the loss of core support. If one were to put the cooler where I have it there would be hardly any core support cutting necessary to run the pipes, but you still lose the cruise.

Best bet is to go with the TII rad, and perhaps move the battery which would make it about perfect. Although it is hard to beat a cummins or large NPR setup.
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The cummins in my buddy's 91 kept the a/c and cruise.
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The cummins in my buddy's 91 kept the a/c and cruise.
That is pretty sweet. Do you know how it flows? I have read that the power stroke IC flow ratings are not that impressive.
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I set my hoses and piping up alomst exactly like you...I actually cut the middle of my bumper and thats where the IC lays......Btw its a sundance, i got the csx frontend out of a junkyard
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I set my hoses and piping up alomst exactly like you...I actually cut the middle of my bumper and thats where the IC lays......Btw its a sundance, i got the csx frontend out of a junkyard
So is there no bumper where the IC is? That scared me a little to much being that it is my daily/road trip car. How much of it did you cut out?

Looks great though. It is almost like it should have been there stock.
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Thanks man, I actually cut the whole middle of the bumper out, I regret doing that though...I could of acutally left about a inch or inch in half of the top of the bumper in there...but i guess you live and learn lol....
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