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[gdonovan]

> First off I would need to know more about the specs of your vehicle, like weight for instance. Since I couldn't rely on you for a straight answer I couldn't help you.

2250 with driver, as I stated before you bring the scales and cash.

> Besides, why would I want to waste my time on helping you Gary?

Now, now, that's not a positive attitude! If you suggest a turbo and it works I'll even put a TU decal on the Reliant.

What do you think, a tranny buster? maybe two?

> Unlike you though, we offer all configurations and don't limit customers to old technology products.

Funny, Turbonetics is at the cutting edge of turbocharger design and if you bothered to look you would see that they have introduced several new turbine wheels and compressors.

Perhaps you could take a peak over at their site-

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/new_product.html

Perhaps because of Turbonetics dedication to making the best turbos in the world it's no surprise as well they have the worlds only no hassle/no fault warrantee.

> You claim to be a MASTER W/D there which means you get bigger discounts then us.

But you told me I wasn't! Which is it?

Besides, I have to provide tech support and do extensive R&D, unlike other shops.

Gary

[crazymadbastard]

Guys we are getting more an more off topic.

I think Chris ribbed the adapter for Gary's pleasure!

[gdonovan]

> For example-
> Informing the community that hot shutdowns with water cooled > turbos is okay just because the Chrysler Engineers said so 2
> decades ago. Nothing like insuring job security at your
> customer's expense, huh?

No Chris- You were telling people that synthetic oil was the best thing for preventing oil coking and I pointed out over 20 years ago that Chrysler determined it was the water cooled center cart that reduced temps 300F.

You still arguing you know more then Chrysler? I never said synthetic was bad or letting the engine idle down was bad. Your were jabbering it was critical when I pointed out in Chrysler SAE report it was not.

> And that statement you made that synthetic oil was purely
> marketing by Shelby Automobiles was classic?

Correct- As I pointed out the factory TII, TIV and TIII engines did NOT have Mobile one from the assembly line and they had to last 7 years & 70,000 miles unlike Shelbys 2 year & 24,000 coverage.

Are you dense?

> You also said you have never removed a turbo that failed due to debris exiting the engine.

I fail to see how a connecting rod "exiting" the block can damage a turbo. And since I have been working on turbo Chryslers since 1984 I would wager I know far more about the subject then you.

> But the best was when you stated that a Super 60 compressor wheel spools FASTER when compared to the 60-trim wheel because the Super 60 takes a bigger bite out of the air per each revolution.

> Man that was a good one!

Easy enough to test but I would wager that you never have.

> Not many people know why they are doing this either.

Innovation diesel boy.

> Customers were getting ticked off about having to pay FULL PRICE for another turbo when their first one failed.

Funny, the number of failures I have seen have been to small to count and they have been taken care of in a promt manner.

You remember how you e-mailed me Chris when I started RP with dire tales about how Turbonetics wasn't going to take care of their customers and how they were going to leave me hanging in the breeze?

You were so wrong it's pathetic, they have bent over backwards to ensure the best product and service.

> And be sure to read the fine print in that warranty too. You HAVE to buy an inline oil filtration system in order for the warranty to be valid.

ROTFLMAO!

It comes with the turbo free of charge.

> Why, have you already spent the money you bilked out of all those R&D list members?

<yawn>

Oh please, if you took the time to even contact the R&D group you would find that they still have the money they paid in. I stepped down so there would be no conflict of interest.

You are pathetic.

[Casper]

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris W Why, have you already spent the money you bilked out of all those R&D list members? You didn't have any money to make your car faster so you start up a list and charge people to help you buy things you couldn't afford to buy on your own. And in return you tell them if it worked for you or not? No wonder members dropped out of your little program and demanded their money back. NICE!

I'm staying WAY out of the "my turbo is bigger than your turbo" pi$$ing contest, but I do have to nip this fabrication right in the bud.

Chris if you MUST know, the R&D funds are sitting in the SDAC Mid-South bank account. I can send you a copy of the lastest bank statement if you'd like.

If I recall, there was only one person that demanded their money back. He got it, and went on his merry way.

The projects that were conducted while Gary was involved were all voted on, just like the ones that have been conduceted since Gary left. When Gary was involved most of the research that was done, namely on cylinder heads, was done by someone else.

Gary no longer even has access to the archived information.

If anyone else wants to avoid sticking their foot in their mouths over this supposed issue, please feel free to drop me a note, and I'll answer any questions to avoid you the potential embarassment of posting this kind of misinformation.

Thank you and now back to your regularly scheduled vendor duel.

[glhsken]

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Originally posted by Chris W Gary wrote: Gary wrote: <Besides, I have to provide tech support and do extensive R&D, unlike other shops.> Why, have you already spent the money you bilked out of all those R&D list members? You didn't have any money to make your car faster so you start up a list and charge people to help you buy things you couldn't afford to buy on your own. And in return you tell them if it worked for you or not? No wonder members dropped out of your little program and demanded their money back. NICE!

I would SUGGEST you keep your MOUTH SHUT concerning things you know nothing about. Perhaps Todd Deitrich (The R&D fund was transferred to his safekeeping after a full accounting) would like to comment on this.

That was an outright flame on an individual. I hope you know more about turbo's than the things you talk about on this board.

For the record, anyone wondering about the comments regarding oil... The FMML archives have it in detail and what Mr Wright professes to have been said was distorted.

I have informed both Chris and Gary that anything but their own prices being discussed monetrily on this is off limits.. Chris just called Gary a crook in that last post regarding money he knows nothing about

Way Overboard... But you know what I'm not going to suspend you. You do a better job of making yourself look bad than anyone else could.

Maybe you should put an adopter over your mouth to make sure the rhetoric and stories are LAMINAR (errr straight)

[gdonovan]

> We have heard that Garrett is terminating it's relationship with Turbonetics. This puts Turbonetics in a precarious position because for years they have relied solely on Garrett for their compressor and turbine wheels.

I suppose you also heard you have to buy an oil filter device to get the warrentee and I "stole" R&D funds?

Oh please! Turbonetics has been making their own stuff for years.

[Aries_Turbo]

i dont like to take sides when i dont know the entire story......however i can point out what i see. man..it seems like you have a personal vendetta against gary, chris. why get him all stirred up when you are both working towards a common goal...fast mopars.

Brian

[gdonovan]

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris W <Oh please, if you took the time to even contact the R&D group you would find that they still have the money they paid in. I stepped down so there would be no conflict of interest.> So why didn't you use your own money then like every other enthusiast?

Does working for RP for over a year with no pay count?

[gdonovan]

> A few months before Gary turned vendor he has done nothing but slam TU on the lists at every opportunity.

What Chris is refering to for those who don't know is TU sold a kid in Mass a new Super 60 turbo.

Problem is it wasn't a Super 60 nor new.

Chris finally replaced the turbo with a new 60 trim Garrett but dragged his feet for some time blaming everyone including the techs at TU and the R&D list before doing so.

Keep talking Chris, the more people hear how you operate and lie the better.

Proactive?

I have been far more proactive then you can ever dream of for years, you only post (almost without exception) when you have something for sale.