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Old 09-29-2003, 11:07 AM   #31
 
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In the future, please stick with intelligent meaningful responses.

If it is a flame, dont bother, I am not responding to flames. If it is factual concise rebutle, then you probably did not read this post correctly.

Are you kidding me??
You make the above comment(flame) and then proceed to say "Do not reply with flame".

Get a Grip!
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:31 AM   #32
 
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Are you kidding me??
You make the above comment(flame) and then proceed to say "Do not reply with flame".

Get a Grip!
Not a flame, just a fact.

It is merely a statement to reflect upon the fact that his last "reponse" contained absolutely no meaningful or intelligent content.

Ken is capable of posting meaningful and intelligent content, I did not imply otherwise, but there was clearly none in that post.
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:35 AM   #33
 
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Akuma, Jesus ****ING CHRIST.....SHUT THE **** UP FOR ONCE...You flame every ****ing post on this board. YOU NEED TO ARGUE ABOUT EVERYTHING. You are such a sad peice of worthless garbage and im sick of you ruining every thread on the board that has some sort of a good discussion. You are such an insecure person. Your motive is not to put forth useful information; all you try to do is start arguments and try to win them to make yourself feel "big".
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:40 AM   #34
 
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all you try to do is start arguments and try to win them to make yourself feel "big".
I think his avatar has gone to his head.
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Sorry for the excessive cursing...Its just that every good thead is ruined by him and his insecurities. Makes me angry.
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:43 AM   #36
 
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The fact is, a ported big valve 2.5 CAN outflow a 2.2 16v on the low end where the surge is a problem. It's a simple matter of displacement.
And how would you know this? Have you actually tried it or are you going by looking at a compressor map?

What happens in the real world is far different then theory.

I have run a 57 on a 2.2 and 2.5, in neither case was compressor surge a problem.

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Remeber, we are discussing stock 16V vs Ported SOHC. The 57 trim is a flow wheel and the issue with it on a 2.2 is it is so close to the surge limit at lower RPM's.
I ran one at 35 psi with no problems on a mild SOHC head, so much for being a flow wheel. Swapping to an "ideal" configuration cover and wheel netted an insignificant gain in performance.

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You see, these internet arguments are pointless
Your right.

I'd advise people to look at what other people have done and decide for themselves what works and what does not instead of trying to get something meaningful from this thread.

The bottom line is where the rubber meets the road.
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Old 09-29-2003, 12:29 PM   #37
 
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And how would you know this? Have you actually tried it or are you going by looking at a compressor map?

What happens in the real world is far different then theory.
Your successes, and many other peoples successes with the 57 trim are a testament to what I said in my post.

My entire purpose for posting was to contradict the pages of negative comments about the 57 trim with facts.

Fact is, I know you have used them.

I know FM has used them.

I know Rick Diogo has used them.

and I myself have a 57 trim.

All of you have had a lot of success with the 57 trim and it goes against everything else posted in this thread.

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I have run a 57 on a 2.2 and 2.5, in neither case was compressor surge a problem.
So you are agreeing with me then, although maybe not on purpose.

There is nothing wrong with the 57 trim on a TD!

Yet, this entire thread is "anti 57 trim".

I am simpy trying to stop the 57 trim bashing before it goes too far.

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I ran one at 35 psi with no problems on a mild SOHC head, so much for being a flow wheel. Swapping to an "ideal" configuration cover and wheel netted an insignificant gain in performance.
Exactly my point! There is no significant difference between the 2 turbo's being discussed!

Perhaps you did not interpret one part as I meant it though.

When I say it is a "flow" wheel, I mean it is designed more for "flow" than compression as compared to some other wheels.

We both knows this as fact, simply look at the compressor map.

I was not trying to imply it was nto capable of high compression. The 57 is MORE than capable of pumping out huge PSI.

I dont want to get into the real deal behind this post here as it will just start a flame war so i sent you a PM.

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Your right.

I'd advise people to look at what other people have done and decide for themselves what works and what does not instead of trying to get something meaningful from this thread.

The bottom line is where the rubber meets the road. [/b]
Gary, maybe you did not realize it when you posted, but what you did was just AGREE with me on basically all counts.

The purpose of my post, in the end, was as I said "do not beleive everything you read".

The problem is, people here put a lot of confidence on certain people, especially moderators (or even SUPER moderators) and will tend to take things they say as "fact".

If I didnt step in and lay down the facts, who would? Probably no one. What would happens is people would read it, believe it, and then spread it around.
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Old 09-29-2003, 12:41 PM   #38
 
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All of you have had a lot of success with the 57 trim and it goes against everything else posted in this thread.

You stated surge would be a problem at low speed, I countered this was not true based on real world experience.

I don't think it's the hot setup myself and would steer people away from that choice unless it was requested. If someone declines my advice and wants one I'm not a person to turn down their money.
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Old 09-29-2003, 12:45 PM   #39
 
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I introduce to you the "TD-KIA"

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If I didnt step in and lay down the facts, who would? Probably no one. What would happens is people would read it, believe it, and then spread it around.
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You stated surge would be a problem at low speed, I countered this was not true based on real world experience.

I don't think it's the hot setup myself and would steer people away from that choice unless it was requested. If someone declines my advice and wants one I'm not a person to turn down their money.
Actually, it was everyone ELSE who kept stating surge was a problem at low speed. (I dont know if you read the whole thread)

I was merely contradicting THERE statements with supporting facts. (2.5 vs 2.2)

It is possible for the 57 trim to surge if you have a fast enough spool and not enough flow as it is much closer to the border than a lot of other turbo options.

The turbo (as I stated) is not for everyone.

I did not appreciate the intent of this thread however. (which I have let you in on)
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Old 09-29-2003, 03:37 PM   #41
 
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I don't think it's the hot setup myself and would steer people away from that choice unless it was requested. If someone declines my advice and wants one I'm not a person to turn down their money.

THERE ARE MUCH BETTER CHOICES.


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If I didnt step in and lay down the facts, who would? Probably no one. What would happens is people would read it, believe it, and then spread it around.
In this case, it should be spread. THERE ARE MUCH BETTER CHOICES.

You use examples without knowing the full story.
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Old 09-29-2003, 03:59 PM   #42
 
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Can't we all just get along?
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Old 09-29-2003, 04:04 PM   #43
 
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Can't we all just get along?
Sure Rodney King, wanna have a group hug? hehe
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Sure Rodney King, wanna have a group hug? hehe
lol...
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I was actually thinking about going with a larger turbo one called an SC61, I have heard good things about this turbo form a few people, but my question is, how good would it be for an 8 valve TD? I feel I need more flow at top rpm's this 57 trim doesnt seem to cut it that well. It does a great job, dont get me wrong. but I want more!! haha. The bad thing about the SC61 is that I would have to make a custom header to mount it cause it doesnt have a dodge flange. And it also requires an external wastegate. I hear this turbo has a 2 1/2 inch outlet.
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