.63 or .48 on S60??

[Joryn]

Hey all, I've been sorta putting off making any decisions in the way of parts but I can't really put it off any longer. Spring is here and parts need to be ordered heh.

Anyways the questions I have today are centered around a bunch of parts that I wanted to get from TU. I'm trying to decide what parts are going to be worth getting and what aren't. Here's what I'll be looking at for config.

Engine: 1985 2.2L TI converted TII (1 pc intake + hardware)
Mods: Mild port/polish on Stock head (G casting) , Highflow IC (24"x9"x3" 2.5" I/O) , 2.5" mandrel ic piping, 1989 A413 with diy shift kit. Grainger boost control 2 stage (this will be modified later) , custom built extra injector controller.

Here's what I'm looking into getting and what I really need input on. I need to get the turbo rebuilt (it has a fair bit of shaft play) so I was going to get it upgraded whilst it was out to S60 status. In addition to that I was going to get a 3"SV and 3" DP to go with it. I'm looking to get deep into the 13's with this configuration and was wondering if it's worth it to grab the .63 housing or whether for what I'm aiming for .48 will serve me fine. A consideration is that the car has pretty bad lag off the line (takes a full 3-4 seconds under WOT brakestand to get boost up for launch). I am fairly sure that the TC might be the culprit and I'll probably have to look into gettign a new one possibly at the same time.

Any input or further questions are welcome. I just want to see the car going again and the only way that is going to happen is if I start getting down to getting these parts ordered up heh.

Thanks,

[Andre Parker]

A stock .48 will be alot more responsive, but will limit you on the top end. The .63 will be a bit more laggy, but will breath good up top. Sometimes a little lag off the line is a good thing to keep you from spinning and let you get a little better 60' time if your using street tires. If you have drag radials or slicks, then you can afford to let it build up more boost because your gonna put more power to the ground instead of wasting it by spinning. You can get into the mid 13's with a stock Tll turbo. A hybrid turbo may be a better option. You should call one of the vendors and talk with them about your combo and they will point you in the direction you need to go. I personally think that a T3/T4 with a 46 trim and stage l or ll wheel would be a good way to go for a street car and use the 3" swing valve and 3" exhaust all the way out the back.

[89daytonaTII]

Don't handcuff yourself with a .48 housing if you don't have to Joe. I don't think you'd ever regret spending the extra dough for the .63.

[turbovanman]

I dunno about that one-^^^^ he has a light car, mostly street driven and a 2.2L. I would stick with the .48 hsg, and maybe a 50 trim T04E comp housing. I had that setup in my van before i blew it up and it was nice, no lag and it pulled hard but soft on top, but never got to drag race it for back to back comparisons.

[Joryn]

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Originally Posted by turbovanman I dunno about that one-^^^^ he has a light car, mostly street driven and a 2.2L. I would stick with the .48 hsg, and maybe a 50 trim T04E comp housing.

Well to be honest this thing is going to be seeing a lot less of the street and hopefully a lot more of the track. I'm not particularly interested in going with a hybrid turbo mostly cuz of the pain involved with routing the hybrid. But it would be a little bit cheaper then getting my current one rebuilt with upgrades.

I should point out somethign else as well. This car even with skinny 185 70R14 tires on it barely has any wheel spin off thel ine at 13-15 psi boost and can pull a 2.2 60 ft. I'm planning on upgrading to a set of 205-215 tires if i can get rims for them which should help traction even more.

The biggest problem on my car before was really long spooltime on brake stand. I would liek to get the .63 but am concerned that I would just make that particular problem worse with one.

What do you guys think?

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by Joryn Well to be honest this thing is going to be seeing a lot less of the street and hopefully a lot more of the track. I'm not particularly interested in going with a hybrid turbo mostly cuz of the pain involved with routing the hybrid. But it would be a little bit cheaper then getting my current one rebuilt with upgrades. I should point out somethign else as well. This car even with skinny 185 70R14 tires on it barely has any wheel spin off thel ine at 13-15 psi boost and can pull a 2.2 60 ft. I'm planning on upgrading to a set of 205-215 tires if i can get rims for them which should help traction even more. The biggest problem on my car before was really long spooltime on brake stand. I would liek to get the .63 but am concerned that I would just make that particular problem worse with one. What do you guys think?

Lots of tracktime, then you have to go hybrid with the .63 hsg, you won't regret it. Its not really that hard to mount them, takes an extra hour or so to fab coolant lines and you need some elbows for the comp housing.

If you couldn't spool your old turbo, your t/c could definatley have been shot but of course, there could be other reasons.

[Joryn]

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Originally Posted by turbovanman If you couldn't spool your old turbo, your t/c could definatley have been shot but of course, there could be other reasons.

This is definitely a concern. Unfortunately I have an interesting tranny/block mount up and would need a pretty custom TC to replace it. It's gotta have the 3 bolts for the flex plate and still have the proper input for the 89 tranny. I actually had this one custom built from 2 tc's to work. I'm thinking it is definitely a problem area.

Options are to simply change out the crank to a newer one (8 bolt with assoicted 4 bolt flexplate), get another custom TC built or to just leave it. I'd rather not leave it, but not sure how viable the other options are. what do you think?

[turbovanman]

I would one custom built my somone who know what there doing. The local shop that did mine did an awesome job!

[Joryn]

Unfortunately when it comes to gettign custom TC work done here I don't think there is much in the way of a good shop. But that problem aside I'd like to get back to the hybrid option. If I'm running Stainless lines Do i have to get a whole new set or can I route them to work on a hybrid? Also what specs on the hybrid should I be looking at? ie: you mentioned 50 trim bit what else? ie: Stage 1 2 3 etc? I'd like to know that the turbo I'd be getting is going to be good for my application.

As a side note, anyone got a crank and associated hardware I can buy for a decent price?? heh. I'm thinking if I could get a newer crank (forged one if i'm lucky) plus a stock TC that is for sure good it would help a lot. If i change the crank though will I have to change the cam/crank gears as well? Do the older timing belt sprockets fit fine on a newer crank?

Thanks for all the info guys, keep it coming.

[SteveZ]

Joe, I know for a fact that Mike M has a spare 88 2.2 crank in regina, and it checked out okay. still has the square tooth crank pulley too. I have a few 86+ flex plates you can have, so thats not a problem. Just pm him, and see what happens. I also think I have a spare 86+ tc laying around too.

Later,

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by Joryn Unfortunately when it comes to gettign custom TC work done here I don't think there is much in the way of a good shop. But that problem aside I'd like to get back to the hybrid option. If I'm running Stainless lines Do i have to get a whole new set or can I route them to work on a hybrid? Also what specs on the hybrid should I be looking at? ie: you mentioned 50 trim bit what else? ie: Stage 1 2 3 etc? I'd like to know that the turbo I'd be getting is going to be good for my application. As a side note, anyone got a crank and associated hardware I can buy for a decent price?? heh. I'm thinking if I could get a newer crank (forged one if i'm lucky) plus a stock TC that is for sure good it would help a lot. If i change the crank though will I have to change the cam/crank gears as well? Do the older timing belt sprockets fit fine on a newer crank? Thanks for all the info guys, keep it coming.

That would be best talked to by the turbo vendor, but they say usually that stage 2 is for 5 speeds and stage 3 is for autos and 16 valvers.
The oil line fits but you have to modify and reroute the coolant line. I used some pipe and elbows from Home Depot then hooked it up to the braided line.
Used the stock large wastegate can, just had to modify the mounting bracket.
The newer crank is a great idea, will drop right in. Just check bearing clearances of course and don't use a CB crank, won't work.

[Joryn]

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Originally Posted by SteveZ Joe, I know for a fact that Mike M has a spare 88 2.2 crank in regina, and it checked out okay. still has the square tooth crank pulley too. I have a few 86+ flex plates you can have, so thats not a problem. Just pm him, and see what happens. I also think I have a spare 86+ tc laying around too.

I'll do that Steve thanks. when did you move? I'm so outta the loop.

So here's what it's looking like would be a good option (correct me if this looks no good or needs revision):

Hybrid T04E T3/T4 Turbo with 50 Trim Stage 3 and the .63 Housing. 3" SV and DP as well
Swap out my old crank to the newer 8 bolt version as well as put in a different TC to ensure that everything is working as it should.

Sounds pretty good to me actually. With these mods plus the forged pistons and new fuel management system I want to throw on this thing I could be a very happy camper.

[turbovanman]

Yep, you pretty well have what I am running. Just need to install my computer from TU on the weekend!

[SteveZ]

joe, I moved here in the beginning of january, but I will be moving back to regina this weekend, so you really aren't that much out of the loop.

[Joryn]

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Originally Posted by SteveZ joe, I moved here in the beginning of january, but I will be moving back to regina this weekend, so you really aren't that much out of the loop.

Good to hear you'll be back in time for the season .

So you mentioned knowing someone who might have a Crank/TC/Flexplate that I could get? As long as the splines on the TC mount up to an 89 A413 and everyone's sure that I can fit a newer crank in my block without trouble I may need that. How much do you think they'll want for the parts?