Stronger Rods?

[theCSXmachine]

I'm looking for stronger rods for my daily driver/ weekend MUNCHER and i don't want to spend more than $350 or so. I want something that can handle 375hp/400lb. ft. and last. What about the Eagles for the 420a neon engine? Can those work in our engines and how? Hmmmmmmmmmm

[glhsken]

LOL.. You don't need them.. I'm building a pretty hi=po block right now... I just bought 4 brand new TII rods from Gary...

[MachineHead]

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What about the Eagles for the 420a neon engine? Can those work in our engines and how?

The T2 rods are really pretty good, but if you just must have the eagles you can use the ones for a 2.4. The neon ones are too short, but the 2.4's fit perfectly.

[glhsken]

Look on the FMML list for a long discussion regarding EAGLE rods...

[MachineHead]

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Look on the FMML list for a long discussion regarding EAGLE rods...

Do you have a link, or care to summarize?

[rescu2000]

If you have to have hi-po rods, what about the aluminum rods that Joe O'conner uses in his 400+ HP daytona? I'm betting that they are higher than the dollar amount you posted, but it's worth looking into.
Thanks
Rescu2000

[gdonovan]

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Originally posted by rescu2000 If you have to have hi-po rods, what about the aluminum rods that Joe O'conner uses in his 400+ HP daytona? I'm betting that they are higher than the dollar amount you posted, but it's worth looking into. Thanks Rescu2000

Joe's not making 400 hp, his injectors won't support it.

[rescu2000]

Sorry. I was just taking his web page for it's word. It says 425+ hp there. He is running 53# injectors though, so I'm sure you're right, not to take anything away from him. His car is still very impressive.

One question though, and please don't think I'm doubting your informtaion, but on your site you have the daytona running 300+ hp on stock injectors (33#). I know you had two extra injectors in the IC pipe. My question is, how much were these two flowing?

Using an 85% duty cycle, and .6 bsfc I calculate a 187 hp max on 33# injectors. (Didn't the tIII use the 33# injectors?)

The rods are still sweet looking. Not sure how they compare to forged. Anyone know? If they are stronger, Gary, you might be interested. (Sorry to see that video on your site. That was awesome footage though.)
Here's Joe's link to the rods and pistons.
http://community-2.webtv.net/PAGEBUI...RDMOTIONALUM0/

Later,
Rescu2000

[theCSXmachine]

For some reason I thought the aluminum rods wear out pretty quick, so wouldnt be that suited for street... donno where i picked that up.

So how much are brand new T2 rods? I have some with 80k miles maybe i should use those? Just have them checked, magnafluxed, shotpeened, and whatever else can be done?

I'll check the FMML thanks!

[cawcislo]

Shotpeened? What exactly is this. I know a bit about cars, but I don't know what this procedure is or what it does? HOw about magnafluxing? Is that like xraying a part to see if it isn't structurally damaged?

[gdonovan]

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Originally posted by rescu2000 Sorry. I was just taking his web page for it's word. It says 425+ hp there. He is running 53# injectors though, so I'm sure you're right, not to take anything away from him. His car is still very impressive.

Indeed- It's possible Joe's making 425 crank hp but with no way of measuring short of installing the engine on a stand and running it. When most people are discussing hp it's usually wheel hp since in the end that's what is going to motor the car down a track, not an engine on a stand!

> One question though, and please don't think I'm doubting your informtaion, but on your site you have the daytona running 300+ hp on stock injectors (33#). I know you had two extra injectors in the IC pipe. My question is, how much were these two flowing?

Actually the car was only making 250-270 maxed out as far as hp goes, was making a lot of torque though, this is what throws off the calculator programs. It's very easy to have an engine that "makes" the torque of a 300 hp motor but in actual testing only makes 250 hp. I need to make a page to show this... very easy to see on a dyno.

The is no limit to what extra injectors can spray in, at one point I was spraying in 200 hp worth of fuel into the Reliant.

> Using an 85% duty cycle, and .6 bsfc I calculate a 187 hp max on 33# injectors. (Didn't the tIII use the 33# injectors?)

closer to .55 on the SOHC, and the TIII is run at 100% DC at some point for a short duration.

> The rods are still sweet looking. Not sure how they compare to forged. Anyone know?

They are nice rods, I know several people using them. I'll stick to steel rods though, I like the extra insurance.

> (Sorry to see that video on your site. That was awesome footage though.)

Was exciting =)

and expensive, but that's racing.

[gdonovan]

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Originally posted by cawcislo Shotpeened? What exactly is this. I know a bit about cars, but I don't know what this procedure is or what it does? HOw about magnafluxing? Is that like xraying a part to see if it isn't structurally damaged?

Shotpeening-

http://www.turbine-technology.com/shotpeening.htm

<excellent description in laymens terms>

Magnaflux-

http://www.magnaflux.com/magnaglo.stm

[gdonovan]

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Originally posted by theCSXmachine For some reason I thought the aluminum rods wear out pretty quick, so wouldnt be that suited for street... donno where i picked that up.

Early rods perhaps, I hear the new alloys stand up better. In the old days it wasn't unusual to throw away rods after 100 passes. Matter of fact most Top Fuel teams use to also campain a Funny Car as well, you would use the rods for "x" amount of runs in the funny car and then use them for "x" amount of runs in the dragster. If you have a rod failure in a funny car really easy for the driver to get cooked.

> So how much are brand new T2 rods?

Mopar list is $81 each.

> I have some with 80k miles maybe i should use those?

Perhaps, as my machinist points out all parts have a certain amount of fatigue life. New rods start out with none of that life used, while rods with 80k on them have, well 80k on them.

Below a certain level of stress that's a non issue of course (unless you have LW rods ;-) but when jamming it to the max it's something to bear in mind.

[DirectConnection]

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Originally posted by gdonovan > (Sorry to see that video on your site. That was awesome footage though.) Was exciting =) and expensive, but that's racing.

You mean you race dynos now, Gary?:big grin:

[gdonovan]

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Originally posted by DirectConnection You mean you race dynos now, Gary?:big grin:

LOL, nah them darn Supras would win everytime then ;-)