How much boost?

how much boost can a turbo 1 handle?
my bottom end was rebuilt with mahl pistons and rods from a turbo 2 as well as cast crank was balanced and knife edged
im at stuck 7 pounds of boost and the motor is finally broken in
i have a turbo 2 intercooler and talon BOV

do you think if i got a stage 3 comuter from FWD performance it can take the boost?

Will

[OmniGuy123]

With adequit fuel, way more than you 525 can handle.

i got +20's injectors is that good enough to handle 14 pounds of boost?

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Originally posted by cordes With adequit fuel, way more than you 525 can handle.

[glhsken]

And you are in a thread regarding ignition systems spouting off like you know it all.

You would be best served to sit back and listen a while longer before you touch your car or give any advice in the tech section. Or that motor will live a short life.

how about you shut the hell up
i never said i knew everything i was just sayin that ive heard nothin but bad stories about the MSD and wanted to caution him.......

and by the way lets see you do the same conversion and make it run like mine is there smartass.......and the motor will last......and i know what the **** im doing so if you aint got nothin that can help me dont comment......and i dont care if you are the moderator

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Originally posted by glhsken And you are in a thread regarding ignition systems spouting off like you know it all. You would be best served to sit back and listen a while longer before you touch your car or give any advice in the tech section. Or that motor will live a short life.

[glhsken]

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and by the way lets see you do the same conversion and make it run like mine is there smartass

lol... Why would I want to...

Hmmm you can admittedly bust others chops but don't like it done to you.... I thought as much

[Aries_Turbo]

i have to say that that was one of the funniest things ive read in while!

cmon ken, take out that chrome moly plate 555 and toss in a 525 in the "s" so itll run (and shift) real good!

i havent searched for any of your posts to gather any more info on your setup, Mr fanatic, so ill have to ask a few questions....

-what year block?

if an 89+ tons of hp.... if an 88 and older.... 225-250 for a good long while but block flex (and the accompanied cracking of cranks, the block itself or bearing caps) can become a problem.

i really wouldnt start cranking the boost you have an egt gauge and a healthy fuel system, and a good grasp of the knowledge of turbo dodges and turbo systems in general.

+20s are ususally good for 18psi (EDIT) on a 2.2 with a T2 or MP ecm (EDIT) but you have to do all the tricks to fool the ecm and such. with the stage 3 being only at 15psi you should be able to run that with stock injectors but +20's will give you a little more.

before i even turned the key once on my first turbo dodge (that i built by hand from the ground up) i read every little tidbit of information that i could get my hands on and asked the advice of many who had been doing this for years and i still missed some things (like oil restrictors ) and some other odds and ends.

ask humbly and you will be treated with respect and be given the info needed. come in shooting your mouth off to those in the know is a good way to get ignored, slammed, or banned.

Good luck

Brian

its running a 1989 common block from from my friends old GTC LeBaron.......it was not intercooled when we pulled it......it may have been before but it wasnt then
mahl pistons .20 overbore
turbo 2 rods
cast crank balanced blueprinted and kife edged
wiring harness from 1986 GLH Omni
Daytona radiator and intercooler and plumbing.......it was a bitch to make it fit.........
its got a 1G talon BOV
+20 injectors
greddy wastegate on a homemade header set for 7PSI

anything else you might wanna know ask.......

friend of mine owns 5 turbo dodges and helps me work on the car and he helped me build the motor

yes the trannie is a 525..........i have a 555 ready to go in but i was gonna wait till i managed to blow it up before i swapped it out so the tranny really does not matter to me

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Originally posted by Aries_Turbo i have to say that that was one of the funniest things ive read in while! cmon ken, take out that chrome moly plate 555 and toss in a 525 in the "s" so itll run (and shift) real good! i havent searched for any of your posts to gather any more info on your setup, Mr fanatic, so ill have to ask a few questions.... -what year block? if an 89+ tons of hp.... if an 88 and older.... 225-250 for a good long while but block flex (and the accompanied cracking of cranks, the block itself or bearing caps) can become a problem. i really wouldnt start cranking the boost you have an egt gauge and a healthy fuel system, and a good grasp of the knowledge of turbo dodges and turbo systems in general. +20s are ususally good for 18psi but you have to do all the tricks to fool the ecm and such. with the stage 3 being only at 15psi you should be able to run that with stock injectors but +20's will give you a little more. before i even turned the key once on my first turbo dodge (that i built by hand from the ground up) i read every little tidbit of information that i could get my hands on and asked the advice of many who had been doing this for years and i still missed some things (like oil restrictors ) and some other odds and ends. ask humbly and you will be treated with respect and be given the info needed. come in shooting your mouth off to those in the know is a good way to get ignored, slammed, or banned. Good luck Brian

[Aries_Turbo]

is it a 2.2 or a 2.5? curious about the homemade header.... you have any pics of the setup? what turbo. can i assume its a blowthru setup and you did the wiring harness mods and ecm swap for a t2 unit, yes-no? exhaust? if its a 2.5 and you are running on a 2.2 t2 ecm youll need the +20's just to make up the difference in displacement and youll need to run the timing really conservative due to the detonation prone 2.5l. i believe 4 deg tdc is a good place to start with that combo.

Brian

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Originally posted by Aries_Turbo its a 2.2....the header was one that me and a buddy of mine welded up......althought it does not flow to well......need to smoothe out the insides.......its a t25 turbo from a eagle talon.....it spools pretty quick......buddy of mine upgraded to 16G so he gave me his.......ill post some pics if i can get a hold of a camera......its not really blow through now......i took out the stock aribox and its got a cone filter with dryer ducting for intake hose.......and yes i did the wiring for everything my self......was a pain in the ass to do but it works well.......and yah the timing is pulled back for now......exhaust as of right now is 2.5 inch mandrel bent that i got at the local muffler shop.......no cat on it as of yet.......has APC muffler on it......and curious why 4 degrees btdc? is it a 2.2 or a 2.5? curious about the homemade header.... you have any pics of the setup? what turbo. can i assume its a blowthru setup and you did the wiring harness mods and ecm swap for a t2 unit, yes-no? exhaust? if its a 2.5 and you are running on a 2.2 t2 ecm youll need the +20's just to make up the difference in displacement and youll need to run the timing really conservative due to the detonation prone 2.5l. i believe 4 deg tdc is a good place to start with that combo. Brian

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before i even turned the key once on my first turbo dodge (that i built by hand from the ground up) i read every little tidbit of information that i could get my hands on and asked the advice of many who had been doing this for years and i still missed some things (like oil restrictors ) and some other odds and ends. ask humbly and you will be treated with respect and be given the info needed. come in shooting your mouth off to those in the know is a good way to get ignored, slammed, or banned. Good luck Brian

I don't have much along the lines of helpful info for this thread. But I was just reading it, when I came across this paragraph. I don't know who is in charge of this place, but this board ****ing rocks!!! This is the only board that I have ever seen where people don't snap on you for asking a q. Or scream about the search feature. There are a intense amount of people here that are into the 10's and 9's with there TD's and that is very intimidating, but when you ask a question, they respond to you with a imense amount of respect. this is arguably the best board that I have ever afilliated my self, and my bussiness with. The same can be said with regards to the people that drive the cars. (With the exception of the obvious few, but I really have no right to go there.)
Just wanted to let you guys know that.
cheers,
Todd Sills

[Aries_Turbo]

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Originally posted by glhfanatic its a 2.2....the header was one that me and a buddy of mine welded up......althought it does not flow to well......need to smoothe out the insides.......its a t25 turbo from a eagle talon.....it spools pretty quick......buddy of mine upgraded to 16G so he gave me his.......ill post some pics if i can get a hold of a camera......its not really blow through now......i took out the stock aribox and its got a cone filter with dryer ducting for intake hose.......and yes i did the wiring for everything my self......was a pain in the ass to do but it works well.......and yah the timing is pulled back for now......exhaust as of right now is 2.5 inch mandrel bent that i got at the local muffler shop.......no cat on it as of yet.......has APC muffler on it......and curious why 4 degrees btdc?

and again a few questions

t2 ecm then? (never been stated flat out...wanna make sure)
one piece t2 style intake as well? (if its a one piece with an intercooler between the turbo and the throttle body on the intake then its a "blow thru")

so with a 2.2 and a set of +20's youll have no problem running 15psi as long as your fuel pump is the proper turbo one and the fuel filter is clean. youll have to do the map sensor diode mod (www.thedodgegarage.com) and use a grainger to control the boost. (also on www.thedodgegarage.com)

if you have an egt gauge and the map mod done id slowly raise the boost one psi at a time and watch the egt gauge. youll also want an adjustable fuel pressure gauge to make fine adjustments to fuel pressure.

basically make sure the car is running perfect before you go ape with boost and it will last.

timing.... some guys run 2.5l's on 2.2 ecms with bigger injectors to compensate for the fuel requirements. however the 2.5 is more detonation prone and cant run quite as much timing advance as the 2.2. somewhere i read that when doing this 4deg btdc static timing is a good place to start when running this combo. actually i believe someone reccomended that to ken a while back. since you are running a 2.2 on a 2.2 ecm then you should be fine with the stock timing for the car that the ecm came out of. i think 12 deg should be fine. good luck

Brian

[glhsken]

4 is too low... 8

[Aries_Turbo]

thanks for clarifying. ill remember that for later.

Brian

yeah its a turbo 2 ecm......i got most of the parts from a wrecked daytona........and its the 1 piece turbo 2 intake.......so i guess its the blow through.......all the turbo 1's were suck through wernt they........anyways......i also got a turbo 2 fuel pump from said daytona........i reckon that it could handle the boost with no problem.......fuel filter is new as well.....and i will get to that diode deal this weekend.........and where can i get a grainger valve?.......or can you make one yourself?...........also i got a EGT gauge and fuel pressure gauge and boost gauge......i think that the t25 i got can go to 16 PSI i just dont wanna max it out so figured 15PSI was a good point to go to.......plus the turbo spools quick as **** i know that...........anyways thanx for all the help....

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Originally posted by Aries_Turbo and again a few questions t2 ecm then? (never been stated flat out...wanna make sure) one piece t2 style intake as well? (if its a one piece with an intercooler between the turbo and the throttle body on the intake then its a "blow thru") so with a 2.2 and a set of +20's youll have no problem running 15psi as long as your fuel pump is the proper turbo one and the fuel filter is clean. youll have to do the map sensor diode mod (www.thedodgegarage.com) and use a grainger to control the boost. (also on www.thedodgegarage.com) if you have an egt gauge and the map mod done id slowly raise the boost one psi at a time and watch the egt gauge. youll also want an adjustable fuel pressure gauge to make fine adjustments to fuel pressure. basically make sure the car is running perfect before you go ape with boost and it will last. timing.... some guys run 2.5l's on 2.2 ecms with bigger injectors to compensate for the fuel requirements. however the 2.5 is more detonation prone and cant run quite as much timing advance as the 2.2. somewhere i read that when doing this 4deg btdc static timing is a good place to start when running this combo. actually i believe someone reccomended that to ken a while back. since you are running a 2.2 on a 2.2 ecm then you should be fine with the stock timing for the car that the ecm came out of. i think 12 deg should be fine. good luck Brian