why installing alum. rods SUCKS

[Chris Faulk]

I'm gonna go ahead and say it...Larry join in any time.

2.2's rule...2.5's drool.

[shelbyz2342]

aren't alluminum rods only good for so long???

[MM Racing]

Maybe if you are running then in a 4000HP top fuel car.

[MoparBoyy]

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Originally posted by shelbyz2342 aren't alluminum rods only good for so long???

there are people running aluminum rods in there daily driven 4 banger cars, with 20,000+ miles on them.. no problems..

[Turbofreak]

Hey Moparboy!!

Thanks for all the good pics so far!!

Is that the required clearancing for any 2.5L regular engine with the GRP rods?

Or is that required on tall deck blocks only?

Thanks for the help!!

RYNO
OMNILET
"thumbs up

[MoparBoyy]

well with any alumium rod i think you need to clearance the block like that.. even on v-8's and whatnot..

[Frank]

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Originally posted by MM Racing And are also ridiculously over kill for any 8 valve application. WTF is with everyone pushing those gay Pauter rods. They are not anything new, they have been available to the DSM people for a long time. They are overpriced and over kill for most applications where Crowers would be more then sufficent as is what the DSM people figured out. The clearancing of the block also had nothing to do with the fact that the rods were aluminum it has more to do with a length that was not stock in the block in the picture.

pauter rods, are not over kill. lighter rods free up a lot of recipicating mass, roughly 6lbs of mass which equates to around 75lbs off the car in first gear. when you are drag racing the kind of times that TopFuelBender is, then every ounce counts. not to mention, have you ever actually seen someone break a pauter rod? (i guess that applies to crower). also, crower is more expensive under alot of situations.

frank

[MoparBoyy]

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Originally posted by fkatzenb not to mention, have you ever actually seen someone break a pauter rod? (i guess that applies to crower)

ever see someone break an alum?

[glhs727]

We just put a set of the GRP aluminum rods in a t3 motor. We did not have the clearance the case, but that was a common block, 2.2 set-up. We did not have to clearance the case either when we used cunningham aluminum rods in our 2.2 "long rod" motor which uses a 2.2 crank with a 88 tall deck block and custom rods and pistons.
Maybe Alex's set-up is different than most.

Pauter makes excellent rods. They would probably be a lot cheaper of they sold a lot more 2.2 rods, but like most things, when you sell a limited amount, the cost tends to be more. They are more known for some really serious VW stuff from way back.
Overkill, yea maybe, but even the GRP rods are good to 800 hp, so some might say that's overkill too.
later,
Cindy

[MoparBoyy]

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Originally posted by glhs727 Maybe Alex's set-up is different than most.

muhhaaha muhahaha.. you have no idea.

[MM Racing]

First of all "lbs" is not a measurement of mass. Second of all there is a key on you key board above the CTRL key called shift. Learn to use it.

I was referring to the application where Alex is using his aluminum rods, not 2.2 or custom sized rods. Crowers are 4130 Cromo and are $677 directly from them. You are talking recipricating mass yet I bet you are using equations for centrifugal mass reductions. Where did your numbers come from? I will ahve actual numbers as soon as I get Alex's piston and rod back at my house. An 11.5 is not that big of a deal nor was I knock Bruce or his choice. How fast did Gary go on stock rods?

I wasn't claiming that the Pauter rods broke, I was just saying I didnt understand the hard on that everyone had for them when Crowers are made from the same material and I would venture to guess have had more design work and testing put into them.

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Originally posted by fkatzenb pauter rods, are not over kill. lighter rods free up a lot of recipicating mass, roughly 6lbs of mass which equates to around 75lbs off the car in first gear. when you are drag racing the kind of times that TopFuelBender is, then every ounce counts. not to mention, have you ever actually seen someone break a pauter rod? (i guess that applies to crower). also, crower is more expensive under alot of situations. frank

[SwiftTech]

come on tell us the setup!

[Frank]

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Originally posted by MM Racing First of all "lbs" is not a measurement of mass. Second of all there is a key on you key board above the CTRL key called shift. Learn to use it. I was referring to the application where Alex is using his aluminum rods, not 2.2 or custom sized rods. Crowers are 4130 Cromo and are $677 directly from them. You are talking recipricating mass yet I bet you are using equations for centrifugal mass reductions. Where did your numbers come from? I will ahve actual numbers as soon as I get Alex's piston and rod back at my house. An 11.5 is not that big of a deal nor was I knock Bruce or his choice. How fast did Gary go on stock rods? I wasn't claiming that the Pauter rods broke, I was just saying I didnt understand the hard on that everyone had for them when Crowers are made from the same material and I would venture to guess have had more design work and testing put into them.

someone needs to both settle down and quite trying to take low shots by insulting someone about how they type.... come on man, dont be so petty and inmaturaty. grow up.

my point with bruce was that i was using him as an example as far as times, and doing it efficently. as to who you are reffering to in your comment quoted below, the only person who mentioned crowers, was bruce... hmmm. is that an opps i hear?

enough said.

frank

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glhs636 another reason Pauter Chromoly rods rule

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MM Racing And are also ridiculously over kill for any 8 valve application. WTF is with everyone pushing those gay Pauter rods. They are not anything new, they have been available to the DSM people for a long time. They are overpriced and over kill for most applications where Crowers would be more then sufficent as is what the DSM people figured out. The clearancing of the block also had nothing to do with the fact that the rods were aluminum it has more to do with a length that was not stock in the block in the picture.

[Frank]

oh and do you really want me to do the math on it? granted it may take a day or so, but just to make a point, i will do it. just let me know.



frank

[87GLHS465]

Actually, lbs = pounds which is a measure of mass.

Techincally its Pounds-mass....

the lbs you are thinking of is lbs-f, or Pounds-Force, which is Pounds-Mass * G, in the negative Y direction, for a stationary object, ie weight.



Clay

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Originally posted by MM Racing First of all "lbs" is not a measurement of mass.