2.2 to 2.5 with common block

[purevl]

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Originally posted by glhsken LOL... no problem, Happy to help. Clocker has a problem with me personally. He does not like it when I correct information I see as wrong and takes it personally. Gets defensive and "snippy". You ought to come up and meet the gang here in the Tri-state area.

thanks man, i absolutely will as soon as i get this beast running, i'm running a little short on the green stuff i only got to work two days this week because i was in the hospital, now that's a long story. i've been itching to hang out with some other turbo dodge guys, spirit300 just moved to eminence and we are going to try to hook up at the track next week.

[oldgregg]

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Originally posted by UnaClocker I plan to take my heavy arse Daytona into the low 14's with the 523. I'll let you know when it pops.

I took my heavy Daytona to 14.2 easily with an A520.
A pal of mine made over 300 HP on the dyno (& ran low 12's IIRC) with his 520, w/out a moly plate before 3rd finally let go.

[Mopar_Nutz]

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Originally posted by ButchN I took my heavy Daytona to 14.2 easily with an A520. A pal of mine made over 300 HP on the dyno (& ran low 12's IIRC) with his 520, w/out a moly plate before 3rd finally let go.

A friend of mine is running 22 psi every day in his 89 Daytona Shelby. He's got 520 internals in a 555 case. Don't know if there's any difference in the 555 and 520 cases or not though. I remember a discussion about it and belive the final answer was that they are the same

[macncheese]

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I took my heavy Daytona to 14.2 easily with an A520.

uhhh, i broke two 520s, w/out a bearing plate at 5 psi and with a bearing plate at 14psi with my 2.5. i doubt i'm making more than 200 hp with a 99mph trap speed. you won't find me stuffing another 520 into MY ride.....
tony

[glhsken]

yes, the 520 and 555 share the same case as do the 523/568.

Mac... No one said the 520 was the be all end all... I know I've lived through 260whp and 300 ft lbs with one. It was the diff that gave out. When you put used trannies into a car, it's a crapshoot. Will it or won't it stand up. I was fortunate (but the damn 2 pinion diff is a killer )

[Chris Faulk]

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Originally posted by glhsken It was the diff that gave out. )

Gave out? I'd say it was FORCED out!

[Mopar_Nutz]

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Originally posted by glhsken yes, the 520 and 555 share the same case as do the 523/568.

Just to clarify a little, I wasn't unsure about the case itself, more the construction of it. The old discussion I believe was about the 555 case possibly being heat treated and I can't recall if it was true or not, though I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

[glhsken]

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Originally posted by Chris Faulk Gave out? I'd say it was FORCED out!

LOL, you heard me shifting out of the Memphis hotel parking lot.. that damn trans had only 1 week on it before the diff gave way at the track.

Nutz.. Of that issue, I have no idea.

[Mopar_Nutz]

Did some research on the heat treated case thing and found that it was pretty much unresolved in the discussion on this site, but DDG says in the transaxle guide that the 555 DID recieve a heat treated case. So I'm guessing he got it from somewhere and that may explain some of why the 520 internals seem to be holding up just fine to a daily driven 22 psi in a 3000 lb+ T-top Daytona. But I'm sure it's a matter of time before it quits, but it's putting up a fight

will booger bushings fit a 555? Easily modify so they will?

Ya know, I think it's just really easy to take for granted the fact that we have 4 different transmissions to choose from, all of which are stronger than some cars ever came with. I think it's damned lucky Dodge didn't just stick with the 465 all the way through till 1990 like Ford would have done (I know some unhappy SHO and Probe owners, no hands on experience). It's just too bad that some (make that - one) of the moderators on this board have to resort to character bashing when someone tries to recommend a tranny that they don't like.
Yes- I know there are actually 6 or 7 (7 if you count an auto, which had a few minor varients), the 465 and 525 just don't count.. heh

[glhsken]

Had nothing to do with bashing. I believe you brought up test lab.

You posted wrong information. Had nothing to do with my preferences. The info WAS incorrect. The 523 and 568 are good trans (the 568 is flat out awesome) Fact still remains, the 555 is a stronger trans than the 523. Mushy shifting can be fixed with bushings.

Too bad some members can not take correction of information posted without getting bent out of shape.

I re-read the entire thread, I was giving ACCURATE information. You had not yet appeared in the thread. Then you attempted to slam me with this

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But maybe Ken has a lab setup where they test these things to destruction and has lab results to prove me wrong.

I responded that the source of the individuals incorrect info did not surprise me. After all the same individual posted this.

http://td.rcwebdev.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54903


and this

http://td.rcwebdev.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54246

I rather believe you condemned yourself with those posts.

Post help info where you are reasonably sure or make your wording such that the individual knows it is your opinion and you are not 100% sure.

Oh darn. So running 15's in a fully loaded car with no intercooler or gauges is too slow for you? Well damn, that must make my transmission knowledge useless. You've never even used a 523 or 568.
Whatever.. Run a 520, knock yourself out. I'll run 523's.

[Koreth]

I think its amusing how a thread asking about how to turn a 2.2 common block into a 2.5 has turned into a debate about transmissions. At this point it should probably be moved to the transmission section IMO.

Since we are on the topic of transmissions, I am of the understand that the short throw shift kit for the neon is a direct bolt up more or less to the 568? If that is so, in my case I would think the 568 is the ideal transmission, with firmer busthings of course, so I could use that short throw shifter. Also, I have seen people on this board talk about using a heim-jointed (sp?) rod-shifted setup on the 555, could this be used on the 568 with the short-shifter and what would be its advantages? It would also be nifty if the 555's stronger internals could be used in the 568 case, but I'm not holding my breath due to different casings.

Yeah, maybe one of the better moderators would move this thread.
Yeah, the Neon short throw shifter was one of the big reasons why I liked the 523 originally. These trannies tend to shift like Mack trucks and need something to help fix that.
As for heim joint rod shifting the 555/520, it requires welding up some brackets, pretty much hybrid 525/555 brackets. And rod shifters were only used on L bodies, but I'm sure with enough motivation they could be adapted to other cars, nothing is impossible. As for rod shifting a 523/568, it's a different shifter setup, you'd probably have to be an engineer and fabricator to pull it off.

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Originally posted by Koreth I think its amusing how a thread asking about how to turn a 2.2 common block into a 2.5 has turned into a debate about transmissions. At this point it should probably be moved to the transmission section IMO. Since we are on the topic of transmissions, I am of the understand that the short throw shift kit for the neon is a direct bolt up more or less to the 568? If that is so, in my case I would think the 568 is the ideal transmission, with firmer busthings of course, so I could use that short throw shifter. Also, I have seen people on this board talk about using a heim-jointed (sp?) rod-shifted setup on the 555, could this be used on the 568 with the short-shifter and what would be its advantages? It would also be nifty if the 555's stronger internals could be used in the 568 case, but I'm not holding my breath due to different casings.