Pistons! Need some good forged ones!

[beefalobilly]

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Standard bore Venolia pistons are $25 MORE than Ross standard bore pistons!(for a 2.2)

Where do you get them for that cheap? I thought relentless was the only place to buy, and they're 450 from there

you can't even get Ross pistons through relentless anymore i was going to get a set but all he had left was a 40 over set and i didn't want to go that big

[mopar2ya]

I like the Venolias, they have been doing blower psitons for a very long time. They have a fairly thick dome, handle alot of abuse and are priced right. I dont mind the warm up rattle, in fact it reminds me to let the engine warm a bit before taking off.

JEs quality is 2nd rate, they are the pistons whores of the world. Sure they are tight, but they are extremely hard and dont handle abuse very well. I have 4 forged honda pistons that with 15 psi and some detonation broke pieces off every piston.

Id run a stock Mahle long before a JE.

[brummy]

Anybody care to share some pros/cons on Wiseco forged 2.5 slugs? There seems to be a fair amount of pro/con for Venolia and JE. I've searched and haven't found enough to swing my money on Wiseco.

[mopar2ya]

Wiseco is also an excellent piston with a very good reputation. I wouldnt hesitate to use them. Its just the cost from a low production volume.

[DakotaKid]

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Originally Posted by mopar2ya JEs quality is 2nd rate, they are the pistons whores of the world. Sure they are tight, but they are extremely hard and dont handle abuse very well. I have 4 forged honda pistons that with 15 psi and some detonation broke pieces off every piston.

If you are breaking forged pistons the the pistons are NOT your problem.
(Same goes for cast)

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Originally Posted by mopar2ya Wiseco is also an excellent piston with a very good reputation. I wouldnt hesitate to use them. Its just the cost from a low production volume.

GLHSKen has the scoop on Wisecos and they are not as expensive as you think, not to mention the other changes that were made to the pistons Ken had made to order.

[contraption22]

My JE's have taken 5 years abuse so far. Not a problem.

[mopar2ya]

The car experienced a lean condition and detonated. That was the problem, but I firmly believe had a different piston been in there it would have absorbed the abuse better. I look at it as insurance in case of a failure. Ive certainly detonated severely to pull spark advance from 30 degrees all the way to 7 and then had a weak moment of frustration and unhooked the knock sensor and hear massive detonation and watched black plumes of smoke exit the exhaust...I suppose I was lucky or the Mahles are just freakin tough.

[glhsken]

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Originally Posted by brummy Anybody care to share some pros/cons on Wiseco forged 2.5 slugs? There seems to be a fair amount of pro/con for Venolia and JE. I've searched and haven't found enough to swing my money on Wiseco.

2.5L 11.3 @ 123... 125 miles on them. Sounds like they can take the abuse. The wiseco's are the same basic design run in pro-stock. They've been beefed up.

[glhsken]

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Originally Posted by mopar2ya Wiseco is also an excellent piston with a very good reputation. I wouldnt hesitate to use them. Its just the cost from a low production volume.

LOL really, how do you know that??? Bryan is right. You would be surprised. The TD community has a good friend in Wiseco.

They are good quality TIGHT tolerance pistons. You won't find these sounding like a diesal on start-up. They recomment a .0035 clearance for instalation

[glhsken]

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Originally Posted by contraption22 My JE's have taken 5 years abuse so far. Not a problem.

Mike, 2.2L. The JE 2.2's are good units. Experience I've had with JE 2.5's is not so good.

[mopar2ya]

[quote=glhsken]LOL really, how do you know that??? Bryan is right. You would be surprised. The TD community has a good friend in Wiseco.

A few years ago prior to my rebuild, I talked to Wiseco, and Ross, they both quoted me in the 550 range, not including rings. The Venolias had a equally good reputation and of course was less exspensive and included rings. According to the Wiseco folks since it was only 1 set of pistons the cost was higher I assumed the same for Ross. SO now you know how I know that...Im curious how else do you think Id know that.?

[glhsken]

Times and circumstances change over time. There are numerous posts in the forum with approx cost including .901 pins, keepers, and rings. (YEA, No having to drill the rods for the chevy pin)...

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SO now you know how I know that...Im curious how else do you think Id know that.?

It was a comment made regarding your "expensive" remark. No implications anywhere that I can see??? I know from having bought 20 pistons in the last year for my own use and my friends locally. There have also ben 5-10 individuals on the forum who purchased sets.

[Timmay2]

for what its worth, i have venolias in the lancer.. not any noisier than most other dodge engines ive heard.. i do have one problem now that seems to be with some reasearch some design flaw.. i do get some gas past the rings, which washes out the oil QUICKLY. These pistons/rings have less than 25k on them and i guess its common for venolias to have some ring sealing issues?? plugs are light brown and i still get gas in the oil.
maybe i just have bad rings and a good replacement set will work better? i dont know... just throwing out my 2 cents.

[dodge80_89]

What I'm seeing here is that for a 2.5L the Wiseco forged pistons are the better choice?? or am I just reading it wrong. I'm very interested in this thread as my 2.5CB is going to be going to the machine shop within a week and I need to know which pistons I should purchase. How much do the Wiseco pistons run and where can I purchase them. Thanks of any feedback.