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3.0Duster · **Intermediate Shaft Bearings**

im getting my intermediate shaft(auxilary shaft) replaced by a shop and i told them to replace the bearings but they told me that the bearings are pressed into the block and the only way to change them is to take out the block, is this true?

22dodge · 08-01-2005, 09:28 PM

yes and no. If it was my shop, I would try like heck to talk the customer out of replacing these.. first, the very rarely go bad, 2nd, it is VERY difficult to drive out and drive in the bearings in the car because of the frame. the tool needed to do the job if fairly long and must be in a straight plane to the hole hard to do with the fender & frame in the way. plus the pan would have to be dropped to get out the old bearings.... so realistically, I would say NO-WAY to that job!!!

now ? why are you replacing the intermidiate shaft anyway?

**85lebaront2** · 08-01-2005, 09:29 PM

You can do it in place, but it's a bear. I had to do the inner bearing on a 2.5 that had gone bad. I used a tap to thread the old bearing and pull it out. Lined up the new one and used a bushing driver to put it in.

3.0Duster · 08-01-2005, 09:53 PM

my intermediate shaft gear and oil pump gear stripped again after 3 months, broke some teeth to

22dodge · 08-01-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 85lebaront2

You can do it in place, but it's a bear. I had to do the inner bearing on a 2.5 that had gone bad. I used a tap to thread the old bearing and pull it out. Lined up the new one and used a bushing driver to put it in.

what about the shavings that would have gone into the engine? how long of a tap did your use? that's like 8" in and what did you used to pull? they are pressed in pretty solid.

I have the bushing driver forsale ( generic cam bearing installation tool with the special 2.2/2.5 only inter. bearing installer)

bluneon · 08-01-2005, 11:11 PM

they BOTh stripped? wtf? how?

22dodge · 08-02-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 3.0Duster

my intermediate shaft gear and oil pump gear stripped again after 3 months, broke some teeth to

if that's the case, you need to flush the block, replace the oil pump and you MUST replace the pickup tube. also need to make sure the pump is sitting properly on the block... if it is not on there perfectly, you will have this problem over and over again... how you can tell if the pump is installed properly is to leave off the distributor hold down and rotate the crank.. if you see the distributor wobble all over, the pump is not properly installed.

turbovanman · 08-02-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bluneon

they BOTh stripped? wtf? how?

Bad pump, talk to Dave! Also what 22Dodge mentioned. Another thing to remember is alot of these engines have tons of miles. You have a slightly worn shaft, then plop on a new or different oil pump, the wear patterns are now different and can accelerate the old wear, next thing, its worn out. This used to happen on the old 78 Civics. The oil pump was driven by a gear on the cam, I put a regrind in my car, a month later, no oil pressure-WTF? Cam gear was gone. Honda had a redesigned gear, another cam, new gear, problem solved!

Frank · 08-02-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.0Duster

my intermediate shaft gear and oil pump gear stripped again after 3 months, broke some teeth to

i have a similar issue on my fresh block. as you rotate the intermediate shaft, the play in the oil pump gear changes. i jumped some teeth at SDAC-15. I dont know whether it is because of crappy oil pump gear or an intermediate shaft. both will get replaced this coming winter.

frank

3.0Duster · 08-02-2005, 09:22 PM

i had both the intermediate shaft and oil pump replaced with brand new ones so i doubt that caused it, but when the guy took out my oil pump today there was a piece of gasket stuck in the pickup so that cant be good, but now i have a worse problem he took off the crank bearings and there were scratches down the middle of both the crank and the bearings, does this mean that the crank needs to be repaired, is it possible to run the engine like this?

22dodge · 08-02-2005, 09:51 PM

yes and no... it is not uncommon to have scratches in the bearings.. it's all in how bad that is the key... if your mechanic feels they should be replaced. then do so, you took your car to him because of his knowledge and skill. sounds like you may have had debis get into the pump and lock it up which took out the gears. You say you had this replaced before for the same thing... the ONLY way to stop this problem is to flush the block, REPLACE the pickup tube and the obvious pump/shaft.

3.0Duster · 08-02-2005, 10:03 PM

i ran my finger nale on both the bearing and the crank and you can feel a slight scratch in both, i took my car to the mechanic not for his knoledge but for the fact that i have no other way of fixing the car, im thinking of just seeing how long the car will last with the scratch bearings, when it dies then i will rebuild!

turbovanman · 08-02-2005, 10:25 PM

If the mains are like that, I am scared to see what the rods are like,

They take the most abuse and get the oil later, after the mains. Its not uncommon to have bad rods and good mains. Check ALL the rods. If they are bad, then it really doesn't matter. If there good, and the main bearings aren;t showing a copper colour, then go for it and see what happens!