s60 vs custom cal

[ednutcracker]

Hi guys!
Just wanted to know your opinion over the super60 combo vs a custom cal,
the aplication will be a 2.5 with forged pistons/ tII rods ect. looking for 18 psi
what makes the s60 combo so appealing is that vendors have them available and no waiting is required, anybody has runned them in a street daily driven car>?
do it really produces 300 hp?
help me decide what route to go here

[anonymous_user]

The S60 was a COMPLETE package including SMEC, turbo, injectors, MAP, head. All together is SUPPOSEDLY produced 300 hp. IMO the S60 calibration is way behind times now. I've run an older cal that is loosely based on the S60 and it ran like dog crap compared to newer stuff.

I recommend you buy a Willem burner, socket your own SMEC, and learn to burn your own chip. That way you can adjust the cal to suit your car and make any changes when upgrades are made. It is by far the best method and the total investment will be comparable to the cost of a custom cal.

[Shadow]

At WOT the S60 comp works fine and you can make good power with it. Prob is it's part throttle maners aren't that great. It doesn't read the o2 so your start up and idle are closed loop. This isn't to bad with a mild build, but when we ported the crap out of a 2 piece manifold (esentially detuning it) the S60 could not compensate for the diff in air flow and the car would lope like crazy. Plug in a cal that reads the o2, and voila...intant idle!(once the o2 warms up anyway)

[xrattiracer]

there is no supposedly about it, the package was designed to and does make over 300 hp.
as for the cal itself, I ran one for awhile on my ford. it worked quite well, but i tweaked it quite a bit too. made good power, still got 25 mpg without an o2.
however there are better alternatives available from the diy custom cal crowd now. and using the chip swap method with a smec is the old school way I have created a drop in module that allows you to load new cals using nothing but a laptop and a serial cable. once I have more stock I will announce availability here, but the prototypes turned out good.

[anonymous_user]

My "supposedly" stems from my experience with any engine combinations sold at a rated HP. There are too many variables to say if you do this, you will get X HP.

[88_Pacifica]

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Originally Posted by xrattiracer ...using the chip swap method with a smec is the old school way I have created a drop in module that allows you to load new cals using nothing but a laptop and a serial cable. once I have more stock I will announce availability here, but the prototypes turned out good.

Real quick question... Why is it not good to reprogram the factory SMEC that's exisitng? It would seem that if it was mapped/burnt properly then it would be fine, since the various tables are only referenced correct?. Are there other problematic issues with the factory SMEC's? I know that GM's do this all the time with existing Logic Modules. The real pain with this would be trying to get the proper data maps, but if it can be built consistently then wouldn't this be the same thing that Cindy does? Of course, you would have to know what upgrades were made and what your goals were first though. This would be very helpful to know.

[jdawg]

Super 60 cal was desidned for a 2.2. It would run lean on a 2.5 and the ignition timing is way advanced.

[ednutcracker]

anybody has tried the stage 4 and stage 5 cals from fwdp? how about TU's cals? wich is faster to get?

[Shel-Game]

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Originally Posted by 88_Pacifica Real quick question... Why is it not good to reprogram the factory SMEC that's exisitng? It would seem that if it was mapped/burnt properly then it would be fine, since the various tables are only referenced correct?. Are there other problematic issues with the factory SMEC's? I know that GM's do this all the time with existing Logic Modules. The real pain with this would be trying to get the proper data maps, but if it can be built consistently then wouldn't this be the same thing that Cindy does? Of course, you would have to know what upgrades were made and what your goals were first though. This would be very helpful to know.

I think you mis-understood - Jason has simply built a replacement module for the stock memory chip in the SMEC that allows it to be reprogrammed in-car. No more swapping chips...

[88_Pacifica]

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Originally Posted by Shel-Game I think you mis-understood - Jason has simply built a replacement module for the stock memory chip in the SMEC that allows it to be reprogrammed in-car. No more swapping chips...

Gotcha... thx

[anonymous_user]

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wich is faster to get?

This is the type of question that ends with broken pistons. If you are in a hurry, do it manually. A custom calibrations should take time. It is, after all, a CUSTOM part, made for YOU.

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by jdawg Super 60 cal was desidned for a 2.2. It would run lean on a 2.5 and the ignition timing is way advanced.

And the S60 has more spark advance than a reg 2.2 cal so for a 2.5, it would be deadly.

[ednutcracker]

how about the stage cals from fwdp ? ill like to know a bit more over those, do they calibrate them for a 2.5? are there streetable?

[glhs727]

Yes, we calibrate them for a 2.5 and yes they are streetable.
All our calibrations come socketed, and if you have issues we can tweek if needed. Most people think we have 1 stage 5 but that is not the case With over 300 calibrations in our database, we have over 25 of the 88/89 stage 5 calibrations to choose from. We match you with the closest off the shelf based on your set-up. once you get it, if you need tweaks, we can make changes. But in most cases changes are not needed. In addtition if you are the original owner, you can get free updates and if you change your set-up, we will change your calibration for free (one time change).
later,
Cindy

[89Waredaytona]

that is good to know...

Scotty