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Old 02-17-2008, 08:31 PM   #16
Re: What EGT and A/F gauges do you use?  
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That's one feature I don't care about.
You don't have to care about it. Just stating that's where the slight extra cost is coming from. And for people using the a/f to tune it might be a feature they want. You can also use it to save a bit of gas if you're doing your own calibrations.

87dtna The summit setup is just an unmarked innovate. You can find a DB,G2, or G3 setup on Ebay for the same price.
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Old 02-17-2008, 08:32 PM   #17
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glht omni-as for now, ive spent a lot of money this week on the glh. at the moment i have a 20psi mopar guage, FP guage, then i started going with autometer UL's oil pressure, water temp, and volts (below radio).

(im running a 2.5CB, ported 782 head, MP 314 cam, S70 turbo, NPR.)
awaiting the stage 5 calibration from cindy!!!
and later this week, a devil's own progressive kit!!!!

i had a S60 computer in it, (temporary, base timing 4*) and at 18psi i had 70psi fuel pressure. checked plugs, never went lean. although i didnt drive it much at all.

i ordered a guage pod (2) and wanted to get a 30psi autometer UL and something to moniter AF, but cant afford the wideband at the moment. is the autometer AF guage a POS or can i get away with it. or should i go with a egt guage?
NO, they arent pos, i have used the C2 on a few cars, one being a 88 shadow with a forged 2.2 cb, 3" exhaust and 18 psi, its helpful, a little hard to read at a quick glance, but its better then nothing for the moment, it can save your engine and you can always resell it when your ready for wide band.

*with it i could notice a slight change in my air/fuel ratio after i made the 3" upgrade.
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:02 PM   #18
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I use the XD-16 and LC-1.
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:06 PM   #19
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87dtna The summit setup is just an unmarked innovate. You can find a DB,G2, or G3 setup on Ebay for the same price.

Thats a pretty nice discount then for just not having the name on it, $250 vs $400.
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:19 PM   #20
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Innovate has 2 analog outputs where the AEM only has 1. That's the small price difference and worth it right there. One to run the cheapie gauge and one to feed to your ECU to run the car. With the AEM you choose one or the other.

RISEN: Can you give me some more info about this software you're running?? I would love to be able to see what's going on more closely in line with my XD16 setup. PM or post here I guess
If you want, there's a thread over on the moparchem website with a whole bunch of info about the logworks2 setup I mentioned. Basically, I wrote a small piece of software to pull data from a LM and put it into logworks2. Logworks2 takes the LM data and the data from my LC-1 and puts it into one integrated graph. No guessing exactly which map/rpm/tps combo that lean spot was at, it's all graphed out in front of you.

Just a bit of additional clarification on the innovate LC-1 setups, they have 2 analog outputs and 1 digital. The XD-16 and innovate's other guages use the digital output and leave the 2 analogs open. The digital output is a serial bus setup, so you can have multiple devices hooked up and still have your pc taking data from all the devices. Dunno if the AEM setup is as flexible, but for 250$ from moates.net I picked up my ometer and LC-1, I don't think it gets cheaper than that for W/B afr monitoring.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:27 PM   #21
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glht omni---thanks, yeah i might roll with a narrow band for a while then upgrade later. at the moment it just sucks having almost 6 grand wrapped up in a glh worth 1500 buck.

will get one tho...
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Old 02-18-2008, 02:51 AM   #22
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So would I be better off with the INOVATE or AEM? Im only looking to push 250-300hp this summer till I get a block to build. Something I could carry along to the next motor would be nice but not necissary. Im hoping to not have to go higher than the stage 4CAL.
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Old 02-18-2008, 05:33 AM   #23
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I'd go with summit's because it's an innovate for $250.
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Old 02-18-2008, 05:35 AM   #24
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I can get the AEM UEGO for $239 via a vendor on another forum.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:34 AM   #25
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has anyone tried the "air/fuel monitor" fromTurbos Unleashed? i came across it whle looking for a wide band.

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Old 02-27-2008, 10:51 AM   #26
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yeah, its known as a dawes device, built in rochester, MI. its very nice for narrowband, many prefer it over the bouncing style meters, because it has 4 lights and makes reading at a quick glance a snap.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:57 AM   #27
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so that would be a narrow band thats actually worth the money you spend for it?
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:29 PM   #28
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The Dawes was enough to get me by. It's a WOT only A/F gauge pretty much and it is definitely more accurate than any 10 or even 20 light A/F gauge.
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:52 PM   #29
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narrowband is acceptable on an n/a engine but on a turbo car they just wont get the job done if you got by on a narrowband then you are very lucky and should probobly think about playing the lotto.
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Old 02-28-2008, 05:52 AM   #30
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Well, the one time the dawes was in the red I melted a piston. Running 20 PSI boost with a faulty fuel pressure regulator will do that. By the time I looked down and saw red it was too late, now I look sooner LOL.
Other than that, keeping it in the yellow/green I haven't had any issues at all.
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