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Old 02-24-2013, 08:44 PM   #16
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Interesting
VERY-VERY interesting.
I had to look deeper to see just how possible it was.
And, it's relatively "easy".
A "Direct Fire" ignition system(which is infinitely more efficient than our basic fire systems) isn't all that difficult to get and install.
The benefits include TOTAL control over the Fuel delivery system as well as the ignition system's parameters.
It's an EASY decision for me; DIRECT FIRE ignition and possibly a "Megasquirt" system for fuel delivery.

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Yeah you read on enough on it and you want COP with all your cars lol.

Not a fan of the wasted spark direction though.
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yes MS has the functionality.. but

seems like it shouldnt be too hard to wire/program up a circuit to:
1. listen (passively) to both Turbo HEP output signals
&/or
2. listen to crank position sensor output
then
3. drive a dual coil pack (wasted spark), or 4 coil-on-plug modules

could this be done with e.g. an Arduino??
People who have the programming skill to do this level of programming don't program Arduino's. People who program Arduino's don't have this level of programming skills.. ;) It's a chicken and the egg problem.
The Arduino language is great for simple things. Like you could make a great body control module with one. But something like precise engine timing, you need to get much lower level, which the Arduino language insulates you from.

$2k to install EFI.. haha.. Man, I don't charge enough.. I've done a half dozen cars for $400 a pop..
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Yeah you read on enough on it and you want COP with all your cars lol.

Not a fan of the wasted spark direction though.
giggle ... you don't own a frickin ford - that I can tell right now

I drove a 95 mecurey from 2000 - 2011 - all I ever had to do was a battery , alternator and weld a joint in the exhaust

my 01 f150 uses a little more than 1 coil on plug coils every year .. IF I could convert it back to the coil packs the merc's 4.6 had I'd do it in a heartbeat
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Working at advance auto, I sell handfuls of coils to triton owners every week, not to mention the spark plugs they blow out of the heads...
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Volkswagen COP coilpacks are also notorious for failure. Cool thing there is, they're dirt cheap from the dealer..
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People who have the programming skill to do this level of programming don't program Arduino's. People who program Arduino's don't have this level of programming skills.. ;) It's a chicken and the egg problem.
The Arduino language is great for simple things. Like you could make a great body control module with one. But something like precise engine timing, you need to get much lower level, which the Arduino language insulates you from.

$2k to install EFI.. haha.. Man, I don't charge enough.. I've done a half dozen cars for $400 a pop..
I wonder looking at yours with the Neon coil whether or not I can use the dist in a V8 for COP. Or do I have to have a Magnum trans sensor to get the #1 signal? Can a dist be modded for that?
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DIYAutotune sells 36-1 trigger wheels in various sizes, as well as known good new sensors to read the wheels. Just go that route. That'll get you the crank position. That'll be good enough for wasted spark/batch injection. If you want sequential injection, then you just need a 1 tooth trigger from the distributor to indicate phase.
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DIYAutotune sells 36-1 trigger wheels in various sizes, as well as known good new sensors to read the wheels. Just go that route. That'll get you the crank position. That'll be good enough for wasted spark/batch injection. If you want sequential injection, then you just need a 1 tooth trigger from the distributor to indicate phase.
running 2 TBI's, so 4 injectors batch fire, and would like coil on plug for ignition.

Thinking about adding the knotch to the trans and adding the sensor in the bell housing, then run the dist?
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Thank you very much to all of the Turbo Dodge members as well as some of its advisers for all of the input and suggestions.

EVERY step of the way through the build of my GLHS#0896, I will be here to run ALL of my ideas past you guys!
I have complete confidence in your abilities and trust your experience thoroughly.

Since posting this thread, I have learned a lot about the "Direct Fire" possibilities for the 2.2 TII and, have check out all of the links I've been provided. I am convinced that a "Direct Fire" system is the way to go and, I will definitely be implementing it when I get to the engine build part of the GLHS.

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