Need some clarification on using TOLUENE!!!

[xrattiracer]

Ive never heard of using any sort of lubricant with toluene. dont see the need really, since youre only dilluting the gas 30% or less, and it is still a petroleum product.
if you were the run the stuff 100% (and you could if you wanted) then it might be a topic worth investigating.

[turbovanman]

I agree, seems from all the searching I did last night, only a few people mention using MMO or ?.

[Ubmbass]

Well, as far as the tranny fluid causing detonation, that would be incorrect. The whole thing in buying race gas, or additives is to make the fuel LESS flammable. With being less flammable, it makes it less prone to detonation by not burning away as quickly.

[beyond_audio]

Below is the basic formula of one of the popular octane booster products. To make eight 16 ounce bottles (128 oz = 1 gal):

100 oz of toluene for octane boost
25 oz of mineral spirits (cleaning agent)
3 oz of transmission fluid (lubricating agent)

i used this recipe with great results. i couldnt hear any detonation and it felt like the engine came into boost a lil sooner too. i hear that toluene has slightly more energy in it than gasoline therefore more exhaust to spin the turbine.

i have also heard that the tranny fluid is used to lubricate the valves. not too sure how true that is. it was what a mechanic at work told me.

BTW i hear that xylene is more prone to detonation than toluene. not by much.

hmmm.... seems like i "hear" alot of stuff....

[OmniGuy123]

From some of the reading I have done, I hear that for some reason toluene is a little bit more resistant to detonation.

Also, I think it was in maximum boost, it is stated that the indy cars which were making the rediculous power while turbo charged ran about 80 some odd percent toluene as thier fuel.

[GovtContact]

Xylene has a few points higher octane rating (IIRC 117) while tol has 115. The main differance between running the two is that the combustion byproduct of Tol is H2O, while Xylene is not.

As far as the indy cars go, yeah, they do run 80% Tol, but they also have to have fuel line heaters to heat up the fuel so that combustion will happen at a decent time. No heaters...No vroom, vroom.

Someplace I have a Excell spread sheet that calculates out the final octane, Ill have to find it for all the other lazy folks like me out there.

[GovtContact]

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc...explained.html
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/fuel...FuelTable.html
http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/gasoline_faq.txt
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/racefuel.html
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/octanebooster.html
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/Octanemix.html
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc...explained.html

[John B]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubmbass Well, as far as the tranny fluid causing detonation, that would be incorrect. The whole thing in buying race gas, or additives is to make the fuel LESS flammable. With being less flammable, it makes it less prone to detonation by not burning away as quickly.

This contradicts what I read on many web sites that say even a slight ammount of oil in the chamber will induce detonation. What you say also makes sense. What is correct?

[turbovanman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by John B This contradicts what I read on many web sites that say even a slight ammount of oil in the chamber will induce detonation. What you say also makes sense. What is correct?

The small amount you add won't cause detonation, were talking a few oz's to gallons of gas, but I spent 3 hours reading the other night and the most popular way is just mix toluene and gas. Thats what I am going to do!

If the rain stays away, should know tonight how it worked out!

[4cefedomni]

hey there i'm interested in this too just wondering if 2-stroke oil would work better then the atf. everyone that mentions adding oil adds atf there must be a reason though i can't think of it. i can't see why 2-stroke oil wouldn't work if anyone has tried this or knows why it's not used commonly please let me know.

[GovtContact]

ATF is used because of its deturgant/lube properties. IMHO 2-cycle oil would end up just making an oilly mess.