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Old 07-14-2007, 05:43 PM   #1
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I just got done doing the initial tuning of my new set-up on my '88 Shelby Z. The last part of this is a Devil's Own progressive kit. I'm running 50/50 water/meth with the M3(3gph) nozzle with a FMIC and 18#'s of boost on a FWD S5 cal. I'd never pushed the boost past 14#'s before I got the kit(yes, I know it *can*...just didn't feel safe doing it). All I can say is...WOW!! This is by far possibly one of the best upgrades you could do! After a hard pull I can put my hand on the intake and it's cool to the touch! I've NEVER felt that before on a turbo car!

I'm hoping to take the car to he track this coming week. The previous best the car did was 15.7@88mph 100% stock. I'm anxiouse to see what the new set-up can do! My goal is to hopefull break 100mph in the 1/4, but I suppose we'll see.

All I can say is that I've been wanting to use water/meth injection for years...I'm sorry I didn't do it before now! It is SO worth it!
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I have a few. I'll post them up later tonight
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Yes, that devilsown kit is awesome!!!
I'm glad we were able to hook you up with the WI and calibration. Send me some pictures of your set-up when you get time!!
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Yes, yes it is! you guys have hooked me up with so much more than the calibration and the WI kit though...I REALLY appreciate it!

Anyways, here's a few pictures I took today(yesterday now ).

An overall shot of the engine bay. It's a little more dirty than I'd like still, but MUCH better than it was! From this angle you have to have a sharp eye to catch what's really done. The most obvious is the FMIC piping, but beyond that I've even had friends that couldn't tell! I'd say I did my job well...I want to be able to lift the hood and it NOT draw much attention.


Here's a close-up of where I mounted the nozzle. The convolute tubing REALLY helps hide it to the untrained eye!


This is a modified TI airbox. That corner was actaully cut completely off, trimmed a LOT, then Jb'd back on in the reverse of how it came off for clearance for the IC pipe. It worked VERY well, and in person looks a LOT better. I just have to get some better grommets for the airbox bracket, mine are torn (yes, there's a drop-in K&N in that box!!)


This is where I mounted the 2 quart bottle for the WI kit. This is the best and probably one of the most inconspicuous places I found. I'm going to trim the hole in the cowl apron a bit neater so it draws less attention. The bottle does not face forward(as in the sticker on it towards the front). It fit a LOT better turned around. I made a mounting bracket out of some spare aluminum stock I had laying around along with some spare nuts, bolts, and screws to secure it all down. The supply line goes through a hole in the firewall, but you can't see it, you have to lift up the hood seal. BTW, this is a fiarly easy spot to fill it too. My 1 gallon gas gan of methonol has proven to be fairly easy to use without making a mess.


This is how the FMIC piping is run through the core support. The top pipe is actually the turbo outlet pipe. It crosses the front of the car and enters the IC on the passenger's side. The bottom pipe supplies the t-body. This pipe is the only one that gives me a little issue. Being as I used a universal kit that I got on e-bay I only had a minimal amount of beds and stuff to work with. This is the best that my friends and I came up with. The t-body pipe I'm still not 100% happy with, but it works. BTW, you'll notice that I was able to keep the stock overflow bottle(something I didn't think would happen). You can also see my block-off for where the stock IC was. I used a thin peice of aluminum sheet that was origionally some sort of stove pipe that Home Depot sells. It's held in on the top by the radiator mount, and just wedged in the bottom.


Last, but not least, is the progressive controller. I wanted to mount it in a spot that was easy to get to, but wasn't easily seen from outside the car. I at first was going to mount it where the ashtray was(so I could cover it up), but at 3 in the morning that kind of effort just seems....crappy. So, I came up with this. This allows me easy access, and it's in my viewing feild while driving so I can keep an eye on it via peripheral vision. It's held on by double sided hobby tape that RC car racers use to mount receivers and such. I have to rub some detailer on the knee protector it looks like. I had to clean the surface and I took all the shiny stuff away when I did...oh well.


I don't have pictures of the pump because of where I mounted it. It is under where the battery, computer, overflow is, just in front of the wheel on the "clean" side of the splash guard. I'll try to get a picture of it tomorrow, but you HAVE to go under the car to even see it.

I'd like to thank my friends Chuck and Mike for helping me so much with this car. They make it so much more fun to do things than if I were doing them all by myself. I'd also like to thank Shannon(Chuck's wife) for putting up with all my crap and being so nice. I'd also like to thank my girlfriend, Shelly, for her help at times, and her everpresent ribbing over my constant car babble.

I'll post up my times from the strip hopefully next week(as long as it doesn't rain out). I'll say it's hellafun ont he street...I can't wait to see what it actually does!
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Very nice install Reaper.
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Thanks for the pics looks sweet! Hopefully you'll get to test it at the track soon
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I didn't get a chance to get pictures of the pump and such today...friggin rain! I might be able to do it Tuesday night as I get ready for it to go to the track Wednesday night...
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im looking forward to it.. so updates are to be seen wednesday?
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I hope so...I'm hoping to be able to post up real results and possibly some pictures
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looking very clean- so post some new #'s need to use my gtech?-- just kidding have big fun
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LOL...just keep your eyes peeled! As of right now the trip to the track is 100% on. I'm going to start prepping the car and checking things over tomorrow after work.
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OK, JUST got back from the track. It was VERY hot and muggy today...I'd say when I made my 1st pass it was still probably in the mid 90's and when I made my last pass in the mid 80's.

Car set-up is as follows:
-engine: stock, has crank scraper
-turbo: stock, using G-valve boost controller set for 20#'s
-intake: stock, drop-in K&N, FMIC w/DSM BOV
-exhaust: 2.25" SV, 3" mandrel exhaust with Dynomax cat and Borla XR1 muffler
-computer: FWD S5
-fuel: 225 pump, +40 injectors, AFPR(using 5/16" return) set at 40#'s base, Devil's Own progressive methanol kit using 3gph nozzle(comes on at 10#'s...full at 18#s
-ignition: NGK BPR6ES set at .027", Rich's MSD wire kit w/brass cap/rotor, stock coil, timing at 12*(could go higher)
-suspension: Eibachs(cut for a little less than 1.5" drop), Konis, rear shock tower bar, PB solid bobble strut, alignment is -.8* camber +.125" total toe out in front and -.5* 0" toe out in rear, more to come later
-brakes: 1989/90 Shelby 11", Porterfeild R4S pads, braided stainless lines, Valvoline DOT4 synthetic fluid
-transmission: stock A555 running Red Line MTL
-clutch: stock everything...new clutch disc though
-wheels: stock 6.5" crabs
-tires: Kumho 711 225/50/15 (22#'s for drag seems to work well)
-cooling: stock TII rad w/ modified V6 fan & block-off for stock IC location, 180* t-stat
-interior: stock & complete w/spare tire, 30/30 AutoMeter boost gage in stock location, Dawes Device A/F hidden in tach, Devil's Own controller on lower dash
-stereo: yes I have one...yes it's loud...nope, I'm not saying what it is for various reasons
-notes: car has working A/C, has PW, PL, PM, power enthusiast driver's seat

Estimated race weight w/driver: 3100#'s..had full tank of fuel
completley stock the car did 15.7@88mph with similar weight

My best run of tonight yeilded me a 14.515@99.91mph
60' was a 2.342
1/8: 9.432@77.5

The car DID break 100mph!! CRAP run though...15.001@100.69! I bogged the launch BAD(2.589 60'). I was running that WRX down!! LOL(he ran 14.567@92.56)

It ran 2 99mph runs and 1 98mph run all in the 14.7-14.5 range....60' are KILLING me! I'm still trying to get used to how to launch a 5-speed car propperly at the track! I'm getting better at the tree with it though...cut a .059 light(I think against a newer Mustang...and beat him!).

All in all I gained 12mph, and just over a second in the 1/4 over stock...I don't think it's TOO bad. I think the car has more in it for sure, but it's all in the launch. The first part of the track seems kinda sluggish to me, but after the 1/8 the car REALLY picks up!

LMK what you guys think...I'm fairly happy with it! I kinda wished I'd gotten a little better ET, but I did get my mph here I wanted it....*shrugs*
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