Alcohol/Water Injection setup

[sean]

here is another HOLLEY WATER INJECTION SYSTEM complete unused on ebay Time left: 1 days 13 hours Current bid: US $41.00


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

[AZTurboMini]

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Originally Posted by SpraynLog Post some pics if you can. I'd like to see what it looks like!

This is the picture the seller posted. If interested you could call them...

New in box!

To reduce or eliminate knock in automotive engines.

Installer must have adequate tools. Step by step instructions are enclosed.

BRAND NEW, NEW BOX TOO & NEVER OPENED!

Townsend's Peformance and Speed 520-623-2335 or see other items www.townsendsperformanceandspeed.com

[AZTurboMini]

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Originally Posted by AZTurboMini This is the picture the seller posted. If interested you could call them... New in box! To reduce or eliminate knock in automotive engines. Installer must have adequate tools. Step by step instructions are enclosed. BRAND NEW, NEW BOX TOO & NEVER OPENED! Townsend's Peformance and Speed 520-623-2335 or see other items www.townsendsperformanceandspeed.com

Well, I went to pickup my (Holley) water injection unit and while I was waiting for the person to pull the order I asked if they sold other kits. They had another kit that I had seen on ebay that looked like a better unit so I bought it instead. Its made by (or was) "Edlebrock" and its a Vara-Jection Electronic Water Injection System. After reading the instructions it says the nozzle has to mounted on the intake side of the turbo (after the filter) and should not be mounted anywhere it will see vacuum or pressure. I thought you could mount these type systems before the throttle body, after the intercooler??? I need some input guys.

[unluckyty]

I have the Snow kit on the Shelby Z, and am very happy with it. I have mine plumbed in about 6" in front of the TB. I still run the stock intercooler, and one extra injector, and run 25# of boost. I use "winter" washer fluid that contains methonal and 93 gas. I have mine start to spray at 13# right now, so in every day driving it doesn't use the h2o much. My car is full weight and regularly traps 102.7's and I still get 30mpg even while going to the track.

Greg

[AZTurboMini]

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Originally Posted by unluckyty I have the Snow kit on the Shelby Z, and am very happy with it. I have mine plumbed in about 6" in front of the TB. I still run the stock intercooler, and one extra injector, and run 25# of boost. I use "winter" washer fluid that contains methonal and 93 gas. I have mine start to spray at 13# right now, so in every day driving it doesn't use the h2o much. My car is full weight and regularly traps 102.7's and I still get 30mpg even while going to the track. Greg

Greg,

Does the Snow kit use a windsheild washer pump or?

[SpraynLog]

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Originally Posted by AZTurboMini Well, I went to pickup my (Holley) water injection unit and while I was waiting for the person to pull the order I asked if they sold other kits. They had another kit that I had seen on ebay that looked like a better unit so I bought it instead. Its made by (or was) "Edlebrock" and its a Vara-Jection Electronic Water Injection System. After reading the instructions it says the nozzle has to mounted on the intake side of the turbo (after the filter) and should not be mounted anywhere it will see vacuum or pressure. I thought you could mount these type systems before the throttle body, after the intercooler??? I need some input guys.

I went back and read the 'how to' section at Dawes Devices again. He says the windsheild washer pump has about 40 psi
dead head pressure. He suggests using a smaller nozzle if
you go after the intercooler. If you were running 20 psi or less of boost, it sounds like it would still work.
BTW, the pic of the plastic tank with attached pump look VERY
SIMILAR to the one I got from Autozone....

[AZTurboMini]

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Originally Posted by SpraynLog I went back and read the 'how to' section at Dawes Devices again. He says the windsheild washer pump has about 40 psi dead head pressure. He suggests using a smaller nozzle if you go after the intercooler. If you were running 20 psi or less of boost, it sounds like it would still work. BTW, the pic of the plastic tank with attached pump look VERY SIMILAR to the one I got from Autozone....

Thanks SpraynLog. It looks pretty much like the one in the Holley kit too! One problem I have seen so far ... there is (maybe) one place to mount the darn tank. You would think there would be a ton of room under the hood of the mini to do this but there isnt. There is one place on the fire wall on the passenger side way under the map sensor I hope it will fit. If not, I dont know what I am going to do. This system is pretty cool as you can have the spray come on at a certain rpm and can adjust the the amount of water it gets at high rpm and at low rpm.

[unluckyty]

Jr,
The snow pump is a 140 psi pump. You can go to www.snowperformance.net for more information.

Greg

[AZTurboMini]

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Originally Posted by unluckyty Jr, The snow pump is a 140 psi pump. You can go to www.snowperformance.net for more information. Greg

Thanks Greg. :thumbs up

[NeonShowCar]

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Originally Posted by SpraynLog I recently needed to replace my windshield washer pump that powered my alcohol injection system.(home made) I found an even better way to go, so I'll pass it on here. Autozone sells a 'universal windshield washer' kit for $24.99. It has a resevoir with an attached pump motor and hoses. It even has a spray nozzle in it. (I used a different one) The other parts I used are as follows: A Mcmaster-Carr misting nozzle. PN3178K87. This produces a very fine mist for maximum cooling effect. It also has a filter screen on it. You can order it from www.mcmaster.com You'll also need a pressure switch to turn the unit on. I used a NAPA part 701-1575. This is a Hobbs switch that comes set at 5 PSI. You can adjust it by removing the rubber plug at the top of the tower and using a hex wrench. On my T1 draw thru car, I mounted this in front of the air box, in between the rad and the battery. Get it down as low as you can so the liquid level is BELOW the spray nozzle. That way there will be no problem with hydrolocking the motor! I put the nozzle in the rubber section of the intake line between the throttle body and the air box. I can now run 15lbs boost on my 'Log' and she recently went 15.35 in the 1/4 with no intercooler. :big grin: Total cost of this is around $60. Enjoy!

Thanks for the the above information. Always good to have information like this posted. Its been almost 15 years since I messed around with a T1 - and seeing I just purchased one, I'm very sure I'll be adding something just like the above setup in the near future.

Thanks again!
Garry W. McKissick

[B4C94]

wow, just tagged onto the thread and checked out the snow performqance site. The linear controller sounds awesome. I hate having to throw switch's while I'm driving. I can handle refilling a holding tank 1/week. Hell, I already check my oil 2x/week..just in case.

This combined with my large FMIC should yeild some incredible gains. curious if anyone has any dyno numbers to go along with this. I will install the set-up before I dyno the car for teh first time and give it a run.

-=MIke B.

[SpraynLog]

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Originally Posted by NeonShowCar Thanks for the the above information. Always good to have information like this posted. Its been almost 15 years since I messed around with a T1 - and seeing I just purchased one, I'm very sure I'll be adding something just like the above setup in the near future. Thanks again! Garry W. McKissick

Thanks for the props! I hope it works good for you.
BTW Nice looking Neon!

[wrenchbreaker]

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Originally Posted by SpraynLog Well, the short answer to that is because that is what GUS said he used! :big grin: I'm pretty sure you could use rubbing alcohol also. I just wanted to say what had worked for me. Xylene is another item to use, but I use that for an octane booster in the gas tank. For 100 octane homemade 'race' gas, try 3 gallons 92 octane Chevron premium mixed with 1 gallon xylene and a couple ounces of Marvel Mystery Oil .

Have you ever heard of mixing Toluene with fuel to make race gas? I read that if Toluene is mixed 10% by volume with 91-92 octane you get around 114 octane fuel. I am thinking about trying this if I can find it and starting with about 8%.

[1BADVAN]

My friend Jeff used to run water injection on his 87 lebaron before he converted to T2. He ran a 50/50 mix of water and Heat(methanol). With 20 psi, he ran low 14s with that setup.

Joe Ng

[SpraynLog]

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Originally Posted by wrenchbreaker Have you ever heard of mixing Toluene with fuel to make race gas? I read that if Toluene is mixed 10% by volume with 91-92 octane you get around 114 octane fuel. I am thinking about trying this if I can find it and starting with about 8%.

Yes, I have used toluene also. Xylene and toluene are both 'aromatics' that are commonly used in gasoline. They can be used interchangably for an octane booster. Unfortunately, toluene is a common solvent used in meth labs, so it is getting harder to find on the shelf.