New Shift Kit for 404, 413 and 670's released

[fish2222]

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Originally Posted by turbovanman Went back in and changed the orange spring to the blue one. Changed the Sonnax spring with the lighter 4 cyl one. Now shifts at 5800 rpm at full throttle. Line pressure still at 7 turns. 2-3 is great. I made the tv cable one click higher as light throttle shifts were ugg. Now great. Hope this helps everyone and doesn't have to go what I went through.

I re-read your post again... Where can I come up with these springs and weights? I want the 5800 shift points also. 5500 would be better for my car, but 5800 will work too for bracket racing. I am guessing when you are talking about the Sonnax spring you took out the turbo/v6 spring and put in the n/a spring. Is the orange spring and blue spring behind the big valve?

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by fish2222 I re-read your post again... Where can I come up with these springs and weights? I want the 5800 shift points also. 5500 would be better for my car, but 5800 will work too for bracket racing. I am guessing when you are talking about the Sonnax spring you took out the turbo/v6 spring and put in the n/a spring. Is the orange spring and blue spring behind the big valve?

Yes, the orange and blue springs are the big valve ones. I am unsure on the sonnax spring but can check whenI get back to work in a few hours.
To get the springs and weights, you need one late 80's TBI governor and a late 80's turbo governor. If you want, I can send you what you need.

[Stevien1]

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So, for instance if I drilled my weight out to make it lighter, my shift points would go up? Or would that be a good idea?

Yes. Try using all the turbo governor parts (both hollow weights and orange spring). Leave the small weight alone, I wouldn't put any "helper" springs behind it either. You don't need them unless the governor weights and housing are trashed. Drill the larger weight out so it becomes even lighter, this will help raise your WOT shift points without messing up the part throttle shifts.

How much do you take out? Good question! It's different for every trans. The stock turbo f/d is usually 3.02, if you swapped to a 2.78 ratio, then your shift points will go down. This is because the transfer shaft is spinning faster than before at any given road speed.

-Chuck James

[fish2222]

I think if i had a turbo governor, I would have all the parts I need. Everything in it currently is stock TBI from 1985, except the Sonnax kit with the V6 spring. What would you want for a turbo governor?

[turbovanman]

I don't know, hows $25 shipped as shipping will be around $15. I can find out monday how much shipping is. PM your address.

[fish2222]

Im gonna call a couple of shops Monday and see what I can find. If I cant come up with anything, I will let you know. Do the different colored big springs for the big valve come in the two different governors? ie - orange=tbi blue=turbo? Just curious...

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by fish2222 Im gonna call a couple of shops Monday and see what I can find. If I cant come up with anything, I will let you know. Do the different colored big springs for the big valve come in the two different governors? ie - orange=tbi blue=turbo? Just curious...

I think the solid gets the blue, the hollow turbo gets the orange.

[XR Tuner]

As Tourqeflite suggested, it would be nice if someone could scan the directions.
It would be a little easier for the rest of us to follow the discussion

[Torqueflite]

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Originally Posted by fish2222 So, for instance if I drilled my weight out to make it lighter, my shift points would go up? Or would that be a good idea? Sorry for being a pain, but I am just trying to learn and get this thing tuned to my liking. My problem is I dont have any Turbo 413 parts. They seem to be impossible to find around here...

Are you talking about only your WOT shift points? If you're only worried about these shift points, then just turn up the line pressure like Simon suggested. Turning up the line pressure will *only* affect WOT shift points. Regular shift scheduling (anytime you're not at WOT) will remain the same. If you drill the weight out and make it lighter, it will raise WOT shift points *and* raise part throttle shift points, and make 3-2 part throttle kickdown more sensitive.
There is no part throttle kickdown to 1st. Once you're in 2nd or 3rd, you have to floor the car to get it to hit 1st gear.

Chad Kilback (reverse pattern manual valve body with trans-brake coming
soon)
Calgary, Alberta SDAC
88 Daytona Shelby "Zedd"
12.43 @ 111 quickest time
12.6 @ 113.00 fastest time
87 New Yorker "Norker Zedd" 2.5L TII 14.6 @ 93

[fish2222]

Yes, I am talking about part throttle shifts. Like I said, right now its got all TBI parts in it, excpet the Sonnax kit, which is why I think it shifts way too soon at part throttle.

[Torqueflite]

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Originally Posted by fish2222 Yes, I am talking about part throttle shifts. Like I said, right now its got all TBI parts in it, excpet the Sonnax kit, which is why I think it shifts way too soon at part throttle.

You said in a previous post that you didn't care about "shifts at normal driving speeds" (post #50). If you are worried about these shifts, you might get away with playing with your kickdown cable. If you fool around with it and make it "tighter", your part throttle shifts will go up.

Chad

[fish2222]

Ok, so I changed my mind. I would like to get it all adjusted out. Its pretty bad when you pull out of the driveway and get about 50 feet and it shifts into 2nd. I really didnt think it was that bad before, but after driving it a while now, I dont like it.

[MooseMotorsport]

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Originally Posted by fish2222 Call 1-800-835-1007 and ask for Roger. He can tell you about it. They are $38 plus shipping. Superior doesnt have any info on their site about it yet.

I know, I'm dragging a dead horse out to beat it some more but.....I called Roger yesterday afternoon and ordered one of these kits for myself.

They have gone down in price and are now $36 plus shipping. Roger is a very helpful person and seems to know quite a bit about Chrysler trannys. He also vaguely remembered being asked about this kit back in June by Fish.

I'm glad I stumbled upon this site about a week ago. Otherwise I'd of never found out about this kit.

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by MooseMotorsport I know, I'm dragging a dead horse out to beat it some more but.....I called Roger yesterday afternoon and ordered one of these kits for myself. They have gone down in price and are now $36 plus shipping. Roger is a very helpful person and seems to know quite a bit about Chrysler trannys. He also vaguely remembered being asked about this kit back in June by Fish. I'm glad I stumbled upon this site about a week ago. Otherwise I'd of never found out about this kit.

The jury is still out on it, I have used both the backyarder mods, and this kit and feel the backyarder works way better but I do like the servo mods for 3rd gear.

[MooseMotorsport]

I mainly bought it for the governor sticking issue and will most likely not do any of the other mods. Although I do need to finish modding my VB I only removed the one steel ball and installed the rod and didn't do anything else to it.