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Old 05-31-2007, 11:48 PM   #1
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A couple of friends and I have come up with a design for a rear shock tower bar for our cars. After a few brainstorming sessions and some reasoning we came up with what you are about to see. Yes, it looks a lot like one that is already offered, but is MUCH more affordable. We also have some results from testing we did.

I also wanted to say that it was NOT our intent to copy anybody's design. Yes, this particular design is very similar to the one currently on the market, but it IS different. This one is longer, uses 2 bolts at each end instead of 1, and is made of different materials. The current one is also MUCH more expensive!

If we were to make these it would be $40 plus shipping, and that would include the bar(it will be sanded down and primered so the customer can paint it the color they want...I'd suggest doing this AFTER the bar is installed if you intend on reinstalling the rear panels), the attatching hardware, and instructions. Because these are the first few there would be a lead time for the first batch. If somebody is interested they should contact either me or "slowbrokedodge" via e-mail or PM(e-mail is better for slowbrokedodge).


We tested the prototype bar in an '86 Daytona Turbo Z that is being parted. The doors were not latched, the hatch was completely off, there was NO interior when the tests were done...oh yeah, and it is a sunroof car at that. So basically it was about the worst case scenario we could duplicate for chassis flex to see how much the bar could help. The car was on four jackstands for the testing.

It's kind of hard to describe where the test points were that we used for measuring. There was one at each corner of the hatch opening to check for squareness, and then there were four more under the car at known chassis points to the ground to see if the other part of the unibody was also affected and to make sure we were putting the same stress on the car.

The numbers look like this:
Control-no jack: The hatch opening was 70" and 69.5" across it diagonally with the car static, we had not touched it at this point. The four chassis points were mearly for refference, their numbers don't really mean all the much.

We then jacked the car up on the left rear spring perch on the rear axle to best simulate road conditions. We lifted the car 3" past full suspension conpression.

The results without the bar are as follows:
69-1/2" and 69-3/8" (compared to the control 70 and 69-1/2) across the respective diagonals on the hatch opening. The total deflection: 5/8"

The results WITH the bar are as follows:
69-5/8" and 69-1/2" (compared to the control 70 and 69-1/2) across the respective diagonals on the hatch opening. The total deflection: 1/8"

We then tested with a currently available bar that is made by a vendor from our community. This test was done on a different day and the car has slightly shifted, hence the slightly different control numbers. The numbers for the chassis refference measurements were taken and were the same. The results from that test are as follows:
69-3/8" and 69-3/8" (compared to the control 69-1/2 and 69-3/8). The total deflection: 1/8".

Our conclusion is that the bar makes a significant difference in the deflection of the superstructer of the unibody. Apon driving my car with the bar installed I noticed the car no longer made a lot of creeking noises from the hatch area, the "boominess" was greatly diminished over rough roads, and the car handled almost neutrally around hard corners with a stock suspension.

This is how it looked installed in the test car:






This is the same bar installed in my 1988 Shelby Z. Keep in mind this is the very first one we made, the design is still being perfected.





This is how the bolts fit. The outer one is VERY tight, but it does fit. An open end box wrench is needed to hold it for sure!




This is the bolts from under the car so you can see where they are. Once tightened they do sit flat against the body. We did end up trimming the bolts off. These were 2" grade 8 bolts, nuts and lockwashers. I also used Grade 5 flat washers because they were larger in diameter than the Grade 8 ones.

This is the bar completely installed in my car. I painted it the closest color I could find to the interior. One of the major factors involved with this design is that my subwoofer HAD to fit under it and it had to fit under the tonoue cover. It was successful!
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:54 PM   #2
 
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These are pictures of my friend's '91 CS. This is the second bar we've made. This one is a tad shorter than the first one and the ends are made so it is easier to fit it under the rear hatch panels.

















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Old 06-01-2007, 12:45 AM   #3
 
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Would it fit in a Spirit, or are they just for Daytonas?
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Very nice work!!! I love how it just connects to the shock mounts so flawlessly. Maybe I could make something like this for my lebaron. Any idea if it would fit with the same level of modification?
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Old 06-01-2007, 06:55 AM   #5
 
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How much of a difference did it make in handling?
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It should fit in a Spirit, but my question is why? The Spirit is a much stiffer body than a Daytona because of the way it's designed. You could install it in one I'm sure, but I just don't think it'll make a difference in that case.

As for install in a LeBaron, we are planning to try this. I beleive it will be a marked inprovement, but it may require a different design due to the top pump ect. I have to actually look at it as I haven't had the chance as of yet.

As far as how it affected handeling...the car is almost neutral now. This is with a completely stock suspension, slightly noticeable worn shocks and struts. The tail wants to go where the front does now, so this is a good thing! I'm about to install Eibach's, Koni's, and a '90 K-frame with rebuilt A-arms and a 1.25" PB sway bar.

My buddy with the '91 CS really doesn't drive the car hard, but he also noticed a difference as far as the interior noise, ect.
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It should fit in a Spirit, but my question is why? The Spirit is a much stiffer body than a Daytona because of the way it's designed. You could install it in one I'm sure, but I just don't think it'll make a difference in that case.
You are probably right. I'm just always looking for ways to make it handle a little more neutral. It is pretty solid though, and when I put the Shelby rear springs and new shocks on the rear it's going to feel much better.
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I can tell you that a Spirit R/T with Shelby Lancer springs in it feels REALLY nice and has a good stance. With good shocks and struts that would be about an ideal street combo. With an adjustable panhard bar it would make it very nice out back. Put a strut bar on there and get a good alignment and that hting would be AWSOME!....at least in theory...
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I think it would really help with the noise in the car. All those rattles from the body flexing etc. Do you think a bar with a couple bends in it to sit on the floor of the hatch would be successful in reducing flex? I am often folding down the back seats to slide large items in the back. Actually, perhaps a flat bar with the ends bent vertical could work? Could it not be mounted to the side of the shock mount instead of the top of the shock mount thus moving the bar to hatch floor height?
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if you can make one that would go well in a drop top baron, im sure you would have a winner.

those things have body flex like no other
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if you can make one that would go well in a drop top baron, im sure you would have a winner.

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I second that! You can never have too much strength in the body of a convertible! I want a rear bar to match my front strut tower bar!
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OK, when my buddies get back from their trip I'll bring this up to them!
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i have a 89 shadow and i kinda made one of these a couple years ago. but actually welded it in since there is no carpet or anything back there. didnt notice to much of a diff but then again i cant turn hard any way. no power steering. i belive i might have some pics if interested
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Interesting item, but I gotta think that anyone with a piece of tubing and a big hammer can make one up rather easily.
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